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Offline DelquesOtaku

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What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« on: February 08, 2009, 02:30:28 PM »
What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water by a 2000.0 gram sample of hydrated zeolite which is Na2Al2Si3O10 x 2H2O?

 

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Re: Can Anyone help me for this question I deseperatly need some help
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2009, 02:36:34 PM »
You need a reaction between Ca2+ and the hydrated zeolite.  I'm not sure what that reaction is, do you get any information in your book about this?

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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2009, 02:38:05 PM »
I mean sorry Ca2+ reacts with hard water but i don't know the Elements that Form Hardwater.

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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2009, 02:45:00 PM »
I mean sorry Ca2+ reacts with hard water but i don't know the Elements that Form Hardwater.

i think it is calcium and magnesium

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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2009, 02:47:09 PM »
But i need to know if its CaMg or Ca2Mg2...?

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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2009, 02:52:37 PM »
Sorry, but reezyfbaby, you are incorrect.  And Delques, hard water is water that contains a lot of ions, like calcium.  The question is telling you that hydrated zeolite removes Ca2+ ions from the hard water, this makes it softer.  You need a reaction between the Ca2+ and the hydrated zeolite to answer this question.

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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2009, 03:05:10 PM »
Sorry, but reezyfbaby, you are incorrect.  And Delques, hard water is water that contains a lot of ions, like calcium.  The question is telling you that hydrated zeolite removes Ca2+ ions from the hard water, this makes it softer.  You need a reaction between the Ca2+ and the hydrated zeolite to answer this question.

not according to google  :P

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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2009, 03:19:34 PM »
Sorry, I guess I read Delques's response in your post, and just read yours as wrong too, for whatever reason.

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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2009, 03:27:58 PM »
So What u saying is that i have the equation like this?

Ca2 + Na2Al2Si3O10 x 2H2O  :rarrow:  something something

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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2009, 03:34:36 PM »
Right, and from there you can calculate the moles of your zeolite, and determine how many moles of Ca2+ can be removed, and then the mass.

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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2009, 04:00:48 PM »
Sorry but i still don't understand the something something part...

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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2009, 04:11:12 PM »
Excuse me Can you confirm if Calcuim Sulfate is Hard water?
Because i know it should be Ca(SO4) that should be the formula for hard water...i think is it?
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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2009, 05:34:07 PM »
There is no "formula" for hard water.

Hard water is water with dissolved calcium and/or magnesium salts. That means it contains Mg2+ and/or Ca2+ ions.
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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2009, 05:43:58 PM »
So which one do i use Mg or Ca...? thats what confused me it said Ca2+ in the question.
so i think its Ca but im not sure.

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Re: What mass of Ca2+ could be removed from hard water?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2009, 08:04:16 PM »
Okay I made a big mistake This is the right equation im supposed to use:

Ca2+ (aq) +  2NaZ (cr)   :rarrow:  CaZ2 (cr)  + 2Na+ (aq)   

Substitute Z  with Na2Al2Si3O10 x 2H20  because its asking to use the hydrated zeolite.

and im trying to find the mass of Ca2+....now its understandable But i don't know what to do next i keep on coming up with answers like this:

Ca2 + 2Na3Al2Si3O10 x 2H2O --->  CaNa2Al2Si3O10 x  2H2O + 2Na 

But i know its not right because it doesn't make sense.

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