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Petanoic acid => 2-aminopentanoic acid?
« on: April 04, 2009, 01:19:22 AM »
This should be a pretty short synthesis, but I feel like I'm just not seeing something.  I've been assuming it starts with a HVZ reaction, but can't seem to work around the fact that you're going to selectively undergo acyl substitution before SN2.  I'll post my list of available reactants below.

http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reactants.jpg

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Re: Petanoic acid => 2-aminopentanoic acid?
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2009, 01:44:39 AM »
Why do you think that?

edit: mac, I am deleting the link - avast reports a virus as well.
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Re: Petanoic acid => 2-aminopentanoic acid?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2009, 03:10:57 AM »
Is an acyl halide not a more electrophilic species than an alkyl halide?  I don't see anything in that link that refutes what I was saying - when you treat the alkyl bromo-acyl bromide intermediate with water, the water doesn't act as an SN2 nucleophile displacing the alkyl bromide, it acts as a nucleophile in a nucleophilic acyl substitution and knocks out the acyl bromide.

I could potentially HVZ, treat with the water/heat combo (which I think was intended to only go with the rearrangement reactions, but I could be wrong), treat with excess ammonia to both deprotonate the reformed carboxylic acid and displace the alkyl bromide, then treat with the borohydride (which would have no effect) / acid combo to reprotonate the carboxylic acid, but given this is an online assignment, I doubt that's the route they're looking for.

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Re: Petanoic acid => 2-aminopentanoic acid?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2009, 03:51:57 AM »
Is an acyl halide not a more electrophilic species than an alkyl halide?
Yes. 
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I don't see anything in that link that refutes what I was saying - when you treat the alkyl bromo-acyl bromide intermediate with water, the water doesn't act as an SN2 nucleophile displacing the alkyl bromide, it acts as a nucleophile in a nucleophilic acyl substitution and knocks out the acyl bromide.
Right, so you are now left with an alpha-bromo acid, which is the result of an HVZ reaction, no?
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I could potentially HVZ, treat with the water/heat combo (which I think was intended to only go with the rearrangement reactions, but I could be wrong), treat with excess ammonia to both deprotonate the reformed carboxylic acid and displace the alkyl bromide, then treat with the borohydride (which would have no effect) / acid combo to reprotonate the carboxylic acid, but given this is an online assignment, I doubt that's the route they're looking for.
Hmm...that does seem a little convoluted.  Maybe I'm just tired, but I don't really see a clean route with those options.  The only way I would think to install a NH2 in that position would be through an SN2, reductive amination, or curtius rearrangement.  I don't think curtius will work, because we lose our C=O then.  So something has to happen with the first two options I believe.  I'll see if I can find time to look at it more tomorrow or in the next day or so.

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Re: Petanoic acid => 2-aminopentanoic acid?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2009, 03:54:53 AM »
This should be a pretty short synthesis, but I feel like I'm just not seeing something.  I've been assuming it starts with a HVZ reaction, but can't seem to work around the fact that you're going to selectively undergo acyl substitution before SN2.  I'll post my list of available reactants below.

http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reactants.jpg

Thanks

A classic example of a picture not being worth a thousand words, please think of the searchable nature of the forum.


Why do you think that?

Edit: link deleted

Are you sure about that page? Just got a Kaspersky red flag for me :(
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Re: Petanoic acid => 2-aminopentanoic acid?
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2009, 04:00:04 AM »
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Right, so you are now left with an alpha-bromo acid, which is the result of an HVZ reaction, no?

Correct, but that isn't where my problem was.

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Hmm...that does seem a little convoluted.  Maybe I'm just tired, but I don't really see a clean route with those options.  The only way I would think to install a NH2 in that position would be through an SN2, reductive amination, or curtius rearrangement.  I don't think curtius will work, because we lose our C=O then.  So something has to happen with the first two options I believe.  I'll see if I can find time to look at it more tomorrow or in the next day or so.

Thanks; comforting to at least know it likely isn't something painfully obvious I'm missing.


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A classic example of a picture not being worth a thousand words, please think of the searchable nature of the forum.

Little confused.

Would typing
1) CrO3/H3O+
2) LiAlH4/H3O+
etc.

have been beneficial in some way?

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Re: Petanoic acid => 2-aminopentanoic acid?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2009, 07:57:36 AM »
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A classic example of a picture not being worth a thousand words, please think of the searchable nature of the forum.

Little confused.

Would typing
1) CrO3/H3O+
2) LiAlH4/H3O+
etc.

have been beneficial in some way?

It could just be me, but I tend to find imageshack images disappear after a while, so yes, listing the reagents may have been beneficial should someone come searching later on.

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Re: Petanoic acid => 2-aminopentanoic acid?
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2009, 02:54:05 AM »
I looked into it, and they do a HVZ followed by treatment with ammonium hydroxide.  This would work, assuming you're allowed to mix up your reagents.

It's a shame you don't have reagents for the Staudinger reaction :).
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