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Re: NaBH4 reduction cook, needed
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2009, 12:56:33 PM »

As your product is an alcohol i would suggest avoiding other alcohols as solvents.  Use CH2Cl2 or ether as they are easy to remove and should dissolve your product.


DCM should be out of the question. You need a solvent in which NaBH4 would be (at least barely) soluble. You can try THF (as alphahydroxy posted).

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Re: NaBH4 reduction cook, needed
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2009, 12:58:27 PM »
ok was suggesting a solvent that can be removed under vacuum at room temp.  Did the NaBH4 reduction 4 years ago so a bit rusty ;)
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Re: NaBH4 reduction cook, needed
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2009, 09:32:40 AM »
If I put it directly to rotavapor, the temerature would have to be high, and my compund has a low boiling point too.
so i want to extract it from this mixture.

In that case could you collect your product by distillation?

You can do NaBH4 reductions in aqueous solution, however if you're starting from an ester you may get competitive hydrolysis to the unreactive carboxylate. If your ester is activated in some way (alpha hydroxy etc.) you can get away with it sometimes (well documented for some sugar lactones) - this should make the extraction much easier as you will have no alcoholic solvents present.
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Re: NaBH4 reduction cook, needed
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2009, 01:34:49 AM »
LAH doesn't work on this particular compound.....only NaBH4 works, I see the reduction is done by TLC. I do the reaction in ethanol because that's what they use in the paper i found, but they don't give any supporting material on the experiment condition. so i found that you extinguish the reaction with water( because of the left over NaBH4, because it's added in excess). and that is how you get the ethanol/water mixture. If I put it directly to rotavapor, the temerature would have to be high, and my compund has a low boiling point too.
so i want to extract it from this mixture.
i tried CH2Cl2, and ether....they don't work so well.
i'l try ethyl acetate...if i do the reaction in methanol, what will change? methanol has a lower boiling point, but it's not jet low enugh....

I can only guess here, but this is what I think. Since you are not recovering your material and you haven't indicated its bp, if you are using a rotovap, there are two possibilities I would check. One, it is co-distilling with your solvents. (I don't think so if you are using tlc.) Another possibility and the one I prefer, since borohydride only slowly reduces esters, I don't think the reduction has gone to completion. I suspect it is going far enough to convince you that product has formed, but not necessarily to completion. Then, when you add water, this generates hydroxide. The hydroxide completes hydrolysis of remaining ester. The salt of the acid stays in the aqueous layer. Your extracts do not contain recovered ester to confirm completion of the reaction and you are concluding the problem is isolation of a volatile alcohol.

If you want to know and you have some of your alcohol, then switch to vpc for analysis and add an inert compound as an internal standard. If you weigh them out, you can calculate the percent yield of the reaction before work up.
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Re: NaBH4 reduction cook, needed
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2009, 09:25:15 AM »
i tryed out some of the ideas given here. even some new ones too, the yield hasn't gone up rfom 20%. the thing is, i got this procedure from a paper that does not contain a cook for that compound....they only said, to do the reacton in ethanol, with NaBH4, for 60h. that is what i did, but as there is no cook, i had no idea how to do the workup.
obviously,as none of the methods give the yield bigger than 20-30%, that's the yield of the reaction.

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Re: NaBH4 reduction cook, needed
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2009, 10:58:18 AM »
Did you check in the supporting information to the paper? Because it sometimes happens, that procedures are given as a separate document (usually can bownloaded from the journal website).

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