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Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« on: March 10, 2010, 08:51:02 PM »
In the pdf report of the recommendations of 31st meeting, PAC for Nuclear Physics 25 – 26 January 2010, they report the discovery of two isotopes of element 117. From their statements about the channels involved(3n and 4n), the two chains appear to be 294117>270Db (3n, 6 alphas observed) and 293117>281Rg (4n, 3 alpha observed). I suspect that 281Rg ended in SF as N=170 isotones appear to have low SF lifetimes (a fisson valley as nuclei change from deformed to spherical).

The pdf is here http://www.jinr.ru/img_sections/PAC/NP/31/PAK_NP_31_recom_eng.pdf

It can be found on the JINR website via main page>information>materials of governing and advisory bodies>materials of programme advisory committee>programme advisory committee for nuclear physics.

hopefully a paper will soon be submitted for journal review.

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Re: Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 08:10:19 PM »
That might be 293117>277Mt; "twice longer" = 2 additional (6 instead of 4) alphas.

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Re: Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2010, 09:28:19 PM »
Yeah, that appears so. the wording is just kind of funky. I suspect alpha may actually be a fairly competitive decay mode (here i.e. >5% branch)  but almost certainly only a few atoms were observed so it wasnt found. I suspect if you could get beyond that nuclide the chain would get down to Db as well (SF lifetimes rise as you approach N=162. This is what happened with 279Ds, where once you got beyond that nuclide the chain continued to 267Rf in 2/3 chains. Both of those chains have one odd nucleon in the same alpha chain line (A=2z+59) as well.

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Re: Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2010, 01:25:49 AM »
I noticed that the isotope chart on page 27 of this reference shows 257Es as an 8 d SF activity. I've never heard of that isotope. Does anyone have any idea where this came from? (This chart still lists 266Sg as a 21 s alpha emitter so I don't trust it.)

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Re: Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2010, 04:56:42 PM »
Many isotope charts (and the ENSDF data set at NNDC) still have the incorrect properties for 266Sg. As has been discussed before 266Sg is a 360 ms SF emitter and previous studies identifed the one of the isomers of 265Sg as it in error.

Re: 257Es. 3 Russian refences from 1987-91 all from same authors in the ENSDF file discuss this nuclide. Has not been confirmed by anyone else apparently.




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Re: Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2010, 07:09:25 PM »
A Powerpoint presentation on their discovery of 117 is now available on the Dubna website (decay chains included) on the SC107 Programme [http://ftp.jinr.ru/Prog_SC107-e.htm. Note they doubled on the extention for some reason, just take out the 2nd extension to open.

They have reported 1 chain from 294117 and 5 chains from 293117. The 294 chain ends in the (apparent) SF of 270Db. The 293 chains all end at the N=170 isotone 281Rg. Whether the Odd-Odd Db in that region decay by SF or EC is still unclear as EC cannot be dectected here. A couple members of that chain (290115 & 282Rg) have alpha decay lifetime that look rather short. I suspect its the result of only seeing one atom. although an isomer is possible. N=170 nuclides all have short SF lifetimes. The Rg isotope is the first odd Z above Db where SF has been observed and clearly not EC followed by fission. This will be a roadblock if more neutron rich SHE are produces (except for Odd-odd which are most stable against fission).

Edit: Re-looked at the Db data. 266Db is almost certainly EC. Its lifetime is less than 267Db which has less fission hindrance. 268,270Db are less clear.
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Re: Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2010, 05:25:40 PM »
Reading through the announcement yesterday is appears no additional chains were discovered beyond the 6 previously mentioned.

281Rg should have a detectable alpha branch, If the alpha branching of 281Ds is 5-10% (combining Dubna & GSI data) than the partial alpha for this nuclide is 100-200 seconds. No alphas for 281Rg implies an alpha half-life of at least approaching 100 seconds. unfortunate that they didn't find it as I am sure the chain would have continued to 269Db which would have been helpful as EC would not have been a decay option for this nuclide (it is expected to be beta stable).

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Re: Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2010, 12:26:36 PM »
The paper came out today.

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Re: Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2010, 07:11:36 PM »
One of the most interesting statements in the paper was that when the 294117 chain was observed ~30% of the BK sample had decayed to Cf. With the cross sections you are dealing with you are really at the limits of what you can achieve right now. Using another Bk source (this one will become mostly Cf before they could use it again) to try for 119 is not really feasible. Some estimates drop the cross sections for 119 and 120 down to levels close to what RIKEN had to deal with w/113. 129 might be possible with a long enough irradiation time.

In general the most promise short term idea appears to be to use reactions involves collisons between actinides resulting in matter transfer. This would theoretically result in isotopes of 104-110 along the beta stability line. Other options being looked at such as accerating fission fragments hold a lot less promise it appears.

Actually getting to the N=184 shell enclosure appears infeasible for now though.

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Re: Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2010, 02:30:04 AM »
A review of this work by Sigurd Hofmann of GSI with a free download of the 117 paper is available by going to the paper link above then clicking on "Viewpoint: Exploring the island of superheavy elements" at the upper right.

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Re: Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2010, 06:41:04 AM »
Had a typo above...heh..meant "120" not 129..

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Re: Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2011, 06:44:07 PM »
FYI in the The 109th Session of the JINR Scientific Council http://indico-test.jinr.ru/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=95 the presentation by Greiner shows the preliminary finding of two more partial chains originating from 294117. Both chains have multiple missed alphas so the data quality isnt as good. Key thing I see from those chains is the half-life for 282Rg now comes out to 41 s if all 3 chains are taken together. which makes more sense from a alpha systematics point of view relative to the lifetime of 280Rg in particular. This also tells me that 281Rg should have a fairly significant alpha branch.

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Re: Dubna reports discovery of element 117
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2011, 07:24:23 AM »
EDIT: In those 2 chains elements 115 & 117 were undetected as these were part of the element 113 chemistry study.

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