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Why do we call H without an electron a proton?
« on: July 07, 2009, 06:42:23 PM »
Why do we call H without an electron a proton?

I call it hydrogen without electrons.
I guess I would say this based on the idea that it's not physically disabled from returning to an elemental state of hydrogen if an electron were to come its way.

Perhaps in another physical sense, it's a bunch of charges and waves, and no longer hydrogen.
I'm not sure.

Other people might call it a proton.

So, is it both hydrogen without an electron and a proton?
Or has it losts the necessities for someone to call it hydrogen?
Perhaps it should be called "protonic hydrogen"?
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Re: Why do we call H without an electron a proton?
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2009, 06:52:03 PM »
Why do we call H without an electron a proton?

Because proton is what is left of hydrogen once you remove the electron?
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Re: Why do we call H without an electron a proton?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2009, 06:54:22 PM »
Why do we call H without an electron a proton?

Because proton is what is left of hydrogen once you remove the electron?

Is it still hydrogen if it doesn't have any electrons?
If it's not, why do texts mark it as "H"?
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Re: Why do we call H without an electron a proton?
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2009, 08:39:27 PM »
Why do we call H without an electron a proton?

Because proton is what is left of hydrogen once you remove the electron?

Is it still hydrogen if it doesn't have any electrons?
If it's not, why do texts mark it as "H"?

The definition of a proton is a subatomic particle with an electric charge of +1 e, so H+ is a bare nucleus with one proton and no electrons. H+ still meets the definition of a chemical element.

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Re: Why do we call H without an electron a proton?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2009, 11:47:53 PM »
The definition of a proton is a subatomic particle with an electric charge of +1 e, so H+ is a bare nucleus with one proton and no electrons. H+ still meets the definition of a chemical element.

Ok, so it's the atomic number that defines something as remaining a chemical element.

Alright, thanks for the refresher.
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