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Immediate Help. MOlarities
« on: June 06, 2005, 12:04:35 AM »
okay the problems are these...

Calculate the molarities of
The concentration of Na1+ in a solution that contains 3.91g of Na2S in a 1.0L of Sol'n





Describe how you would prepare 1.0L of eACH

.10M NaCl from 2.0M sol'n

.25 KClO3 from solid KIO3

2.5 M H2SO$ from solid concentrate (18M) sulfuric acid.



alright for the first problem i started like this

3.91g/1 x 1mole/78.05g = 5.01 x 10-2

5.01 x 10-2/1  x  2Na/1S

..and then im stuck.. coz im confused.


okay the last three... i have no idea how to start them i imagine that you would x amount of water to the 2.0M sol'n of NaCl but dont knw how to show that mathematically nor to figure out how much.

the second one - no clue, i guess you would have to measure the volume of a certain amout of water and then figure out of wat percent would be .25 KClO3 to that amount- but once again im clueless

the third- not a single clue.

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Re:Immediate Help. MOlarities
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2005, 02:33:36 AM »
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3.91g/1 x 1mole/78.05g = 5.01 x 10-2
OK
Concentration of Na+ is two times higher


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.10M NaCl from 2.0M sol'n
This is simple dilution
c1V1 = c1V2

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.25 KClO3 from solid KIO3
This should be a printing error.
Weight a mass equivalent to 0.25 M KClO3 (or KIO3) and add enough water to volume of 1 L

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2.5 M H2SO4 from solid concentrate (18M) sulfuric acid.
18 m H2SO4 is not solid, and you need its density
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Re:Immediate Help. MOlarities
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2005, 01:04:33 PM »
i dont know where i got solid from- who knows i was tired- BUT we arent give the density just the problem

make a 1.0L, 2.5 M solution from a 18M concentrate.

so is the teacher in the wrong?

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Re:Immediate Help. MOlarities
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2005, 02:24:00 PM »
i dont know where i got solid from- who knows i was tired- BUT we arent give the density just the problem

make a 1.0L, 2.5 M solution from a 18M concentrate.

so is the teacher in the wrong?

You need density. For 18M H2SO4 solution it is about 1.84 g/mL.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2005, 11:38:49 PM »
M1V1=M2V2

(2.5 M H2SO4)(1.0 L)  = (18 M H2SO4)(V2)
   
(2.5 M H2SO4)( 1.0 L)  = 1.388
     18 M H2SO4

   0.1388 L  x  1000mL  =  138.8 mL
1 1.0 L

Pour 138.8 mL of the sulfuric acid into a container, then add 861.2 mL of distilled water, and then there is 2.5 M of sulfric acid solution.

this is what i ended up doing... and i have a feeling its wrong as i didnt use density....

so then how else should i set it up?

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Re:Immediate Help. MOlarities
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2005, 01:45:34 AM »
Dumbauburn is absolutely right from formal poin of viewconcerning usinf dilution equation.
But we chemists (me and Borek) will use rather weight than volume for concentrated H2SO4.

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Pour 138.8 mL of the sulfuric acid into a container, then add 861.2 mL of distilled water, and then there is 2.5 M of sulfric acid solution.

Dumbaubum is not right when calculate volume of water in this way. Molat solutions are prepared by bouring in a volumetric flask enough water to obtain 1 liter of solutions. For very concentrated solutions mixed with water often a final volume is less or more different from a sum of  volumes  (water + acid)
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Re:Immediate Help. MOlarities
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2005, 03:57:10 AM »
Pour 138.8 mL of the sulfuric acid into a container, then add 861.2 mL of distilled water, and then there is 2.5 M of sulfric acid solution.

Sorry, brain fart. You are right.

AWK has a good point - preparation of solution is not about adding 861.2 mL, it is about filling up to 1000mL.

And second remark - it is not 138.8, rather 140. Think about significant digits.
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Re:Immediate Help. MOlarities
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2005, 04:26:00 AM »
Why chemist prefer to work with weight for sulphuric acid?
"Say you're in a [chemical] plant and there's a snake on the floor. What are you going to do? Call a consultant? Get a meeting together to talk about which color is the snake? Employees should do one thing: walk over there and you step on the friggin� snake." - Jean-Pierre Garnier, CEO of Glaxosmithkline, June 2006

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Re:Immediate Help. MOlarities
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2005, 11:54:51 AM »
Geodome, look what AWK wrote and you'll know why.

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