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Mechanism of cyclization by thiourea
« on: October 27, 2009, 08:19:12 AM »
Hallo,
I am trying to convert a bromide derivative to a cyclized product by the action of thiourea according to a report.
Please have a look at the the reaction scheme attached.
I confess that I could not figure out the mechanism of the reaction, could anyone help me with that?
Thank you for your considerations and suggestion.
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Re: Mechanism of cyclization by thiourea
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2009, 11:15:07 AM »
Ok, you have a nucleophile and an electrophile - start by identifying nucleophilic and electrophilic sites and think about what could happen initially...

I have attached the scheme with some colourful clues.
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Re: Mechanism of cyclization by thiourea
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2009, 12:12:32 PM »
Hi Dan,
thank you for your suggestion.
Is that postultated here in my attachment what you mean for the mechanism?
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Re: Mechanism of cyclization by thiourea
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2009, 12:55:35 PM »
Ok, it looks like you are trying to do too much in one go, this is a multistep process so do one bit at a time. Nucleophilic attack of the N on the carbonyl is a good idea, that will come into play later, but is probably not the first thing that happens. First off, what do you know about the reactivity of alpha-bromo carbonyls (compared to basic alkyl bromides)? Also, what is the most nucleophilic centre in thiourea?
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Re: Mechanism of cyclization by thiourea
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2009, 08:21:28 PM »
Hi Dan,
Thank you very much for your discussion.

Is that not the NH2 but the S the most nucleophilic center in thiourea? then it would attack the C alpha to Br.
I am still trying to figure it out, because I am not really good at chemistry, still learning...

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Re: Mechanism of cyclization by thiourea
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 03:46:20 AM »
Is that not the NH2 but the S the most nucleophilic center in thiourea? then it would attack the C alpha to Br.

Yes, the first step is an SN2 displacement of bromide by the sulfur. So, what next?
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Re: Mechanism of cyclization by thiourea
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 10:57:53 AM »
Hallo Dan,
I have just got home from lab.
Thank you for your response.
Could you help correct what I have postulated here (hand-drawn scheme attached).
I am not quite sure as I am not good at describing reaction mechanism.
I appreciate your step by step suggestion very much.
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Re: Mechanism of cyclization by thiourea
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 05:51:12 AM »
Ok, your arrows don't make a whole lot of sense, I have pointed out a few things and shown you the answer.

It is basically two reactions (which you can look up for more info)

1. SN2 substitution
2. Imine formation
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Re: Mechanism of cyclization by thiourea
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 06:38:20 AM »
Hi Dan,
thank you very much for your suggestion.
I have learnt the mechanism of the reaction during discussion with you.
My best regards,
CPC

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