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Offline sandave003

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carbanion
« on: November 23, 2009, 09:41:35 AM »
carbanion can be notated by carbon with 3side bonds and a pair of electrons with (-) sign. One thing i know it can accommodate 4 electron; 2 electrons goes to regular bonding molecular orbital other two electrons? and what does it mean in this state carbon contains 10 electrons with it? please explain

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Re: carbanion
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2009, 10:56:42 AM »
Carbon atoms have the electronic configuration 1s22s22p2.

Carbanions are carbon atoms with one extra electron (therefore they are not electrically neutral anymore, they have -1 electric charge). So their configuration becomes 1s22s22p3.

You can notice that it is the same electronic configuration than nitrogen 1s22s22p3. And just like nitrogen, carbanions have one lone pair and can form three sigma bonds.

Contrary to nitrogen, carbanions are not stable, except in particular cases where they are stabilised by resonance. They are very reactive species.

One thing i know it can accommodate 4 electron; 2 electrons goes to regular bonding molecular orbital other two electrons? and what does it mean in this state carbon contains 10 electrons with it?
I am not sure I understand what you mean. Sorry if I answer outside your question:
A carbon atom with 10 electrons is normal when the atom is bonded within a molecule. For example, let's consider methane CH4. Electronic configuration of atomic carbon: 1s22s22p2. So, if you include the core electrons in 1s, you have 6 electrons in total. Now, each hydrogen bring his own electron to share with the carbon. Four hydrogen atoms give four extra electrons  :rarrow: 6+4=10 electrons for the carbon. It is the same for carbanions.

This is a consequence of the octet rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octet_rule. For elements C, N, O, F and Ne with filled 2s and 2p orbitals, you have: 8 valence electrons + 2 core electrons in the orbital 1s = 10 electrons in total.

Is it what you were asking?

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Re: carbanion
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2009, 05:54:47 AM »
thanks for reply ,

carbanion can accommodate 4 electrons; two in regular molecular orbital and other 2 in antibonding orbitals of higher energy.--this was needed to be explained ,kindly.

for carbocation it does mean it contains only 3 electrons in outer most shell, if so ,in excited state only px and py will be filled , this explain.

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Re: carbanion
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2009, 09:24:28 AM »
carbanion can accommodate 4 electrons; two in regular molecular orbital and other 2 in antibonding orbitals of higher energy.--this was needed to be explained ,kindly.
OK, I understand your question now.  :)
We need to look at the molecular orbital diagram to know where the electrons go.

First, we need to draw the MO diagram of CH3-. Let's look at the picture hereafter, from http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/vchemlib/course/mo_theory/main.html for the ammonia NH3 diagram, middle of the page (are you OK with this diagram?):

CH3- MO diagram is very similar to NH3. The biggest difference is that carbon atoms are less electronegative than nitrogen, so their atomic orbitals are a bit higher in energy.

You have two electrons in the non-bonding MO 2a1.
The three anti-bonding MOs 3a1 and 2e are empty.

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