October 06, 2024, 09:24:01 AM
Forum Rules: Read This Before Posting


Topic: Kinetic Theory  (Read 3266 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Nemesisof99

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 48
  • Mole Snacks: +2/-0
Kinetic Theory
« on: January 04, 2010, 04:59:25 AM »
Will the temperature of a molecule rise when the average kinetic energy per molecule decreases?

When a ball moving with a certain speed is struck at by a bat such that its reverse speed is lower, how can the temperature of the ball increase?
As far as I know, avg KE per molecule = 3/2 K * T
An error in my text?

Offline savy2020

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 150
  • Mole Snacks: +7/-9
  • Gender: Male
Re: Kinetic Theory
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2010, 11:52:05 AM »
Will the temperature of a molecule rise when the average kinetic energy per molecule decreases?

When a ball moving with a certain speed is struck at by a bat such that its reverse speed is lower, how can the temperature of the ball increase?
As far as I know, avg KE per molecule = 3/2 K * T
An error in my text?
The Average kinetic energy you were talking of in the first line is in NO way related to the speed of the ball.
They are entirely unrelated.

In your statements, the lower speed of the ball is in no way connected to the avg. KE or the temperature.
:-) SKS

Offline Nemesisof99

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 48
  • Mole Snacks: +2/-0
Re: Kinetic Theory
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2010, 06:06:15 PM »
What decides the temperature is the average kinetic energy of the molecules and not that of the ball itself?

Offline savy2020

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 150
  • Mole Snacks: +7/-9
  • Gender: Male
Re: Kinetic Theory
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 03:14:16 AM »
Exactly
:-) SKS

Offline MrTeo

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 312
  • Mole Snacks: +31/-9
  • Gender: Male
Re: Kinetic Theory
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 07:36:25 AM »
Anyway if we consider the collision as inelastic (at least partially inelastic as I don't think that the bat could catch the ball and fly away with it at a slower speed...  ;D) part of the original kinetic energy is lost and thus the internal energy of the system should increase (I mean: in the collision, if we don't consider it as a perfect event, as that of two solid iron balls thrown one against the other at fixed speed and with a contact time →0, atomic interactions cause a small part of the total energy to be lost and this energy increases of a really tiny amount the temperature of the bodies involved and of the environment too, even if usually we don't consider the last one to simplify the situation).

I remember a few problems I did some time ago in which you were also supposed to evaluate the energy lost, given the masses and the speeds before and after the collision, and thus the final temperature of the system (maybe taken from the Halliday-Resnick-Krane, try to check the thermodynamics section on it if you can).
Obviously I could be wrong, but if you consider that the energy has to remain constant you can ask yourself where the part lost will go...  ;)
The way of the superior man may be compared to what takes place in traveling, when to go to a distance we must first traverse the space that is near, and in ascending a height, when we must begin from the lower ground. (Confucius)

Sponsored Links