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POLYETHENENE
« on: August 06, 2010, 09:50:11 PM »
HEY GUYS,
I was just wondering why PE is heavier then PP and why its more responsive? ??? ???
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Re: POLYETHENENE
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2010, 08:14:34 PM »
The individual unit of polyethylene will have a lower molar mass than of polypropylene, but remember, these are polymers. If a polymer compromised of PE units is 2 million units long while a particular PP polymer is only 150 units long, the PE definitely weighs more.

I'm not sure what is meant by more responsive though.

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Re: POLYETHENENE
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2010, 09:21:12 PM »
ok cheers by responsive i think i meen elastic as it responds better to movements

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Re: POLYETHENENE
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2010, 11:04:52 PM »
oh, sorry, I can't help there. I don't know enough about polymers to help :(

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Re: POLYETHENENE
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2010, 05:17:19 AM »
im kinda confused..

very long link

.. going by this link wouldnt PP be heavier then PE as it has more atoms? therefor higher molecular weight? does each PP molecule take up more area then each PE molecule?

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Re: POLYETHENENE
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2010, 11:17:47 AM »
There isn't just one unified polyethylene, there are polyethylene's with different densities and branching and lengths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene#Classification

Check out the classification part.

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Re: POLYETHENENE
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2010, 12:58:20 PM »
Hey ntripleb, first off, you may have noticed already, but it's spelled polyethylene ;D
Anyway, so what exactly is the question you've been given, is that it word for word? Or are you just curious, based on perhaps what someone told you..

Basically you should know that polyethylene can come in the form of Low Density, where the hydrocarbon chains will have a lot of short alkyl branches every so often that disrupt the intermolecular dispersion forces (used to produce things like sandwich wrapping), or High Density if a metal oxide catalyst has been used with the reaction at a temperature somewhat higher than 300 degrees celcius, having very minimal branching and therefore packing the molecules together much more (heavier duty than LDPE, used for things like garbage bins).

So my understanding is due to polypropylene having a methyl group branching off every second carbon atom after the double bonds have broken, the intermolecular forces would be a little weaker than polyethylene, making the polymer a little less dense, and thus lighter, theoretically. But of course, there are so many different forms of polyethylene and polypropylene in general, in reality it very much depends on the process and conditions in which both of them were made in.

That is entirely different to molecular weight though, as yes if you were comparing the two with the same polymer lengths, polypropylene would have a higher molecular weight.

As for polyethylene being more responsive or the elasticity of it, I'm not exactly sure. I would be assuming polypropylene having slightly less density than polyethylene due to the methyl branches, to have slightly more freedom in movement, like the difference between LDPE and HDPE.
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Re: POLYETHENENE
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2010, 07:35:37 PM »
yeh i knew as soon as i started the post haha
well for our assignment we need to choose a sport and i have chosen body boarding, as the cores are made out of either PE or PP, so we need to say what core is better performance wise by describing the properties of PP and PE,
i know PP is lighter, stronger and more responsive ( by responsive it reacts quicker to movements)
so we need to analyse WHY this occurs.
cheers everyone for there information.. been a great hep  :D

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Re: POLYETHENENE
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2010, 10:42:20 PM »
Well to be honest, I'm not really sure chemically why polypropylene is better than polyethylene for bodyboards, though my guess is perhaps due to the crystallising nature of polypropylene... but that's going out of my depth. I hope someone who knows the polymers a lot more can contribute!

EDIT: Actually, this is just a shot in the dark, but perhaps I've already got the answer without realising it.. since it's less dense than the polyethylene, due to those methyl branches etc, it'll be lighter right, but then the crystallising nature (which I'm not sure why that is so, perhaps the methyl branches interlock with each other) would make it a lot stronger too, and together that works to make the plastic easier to maneuver perhaps? Anyway that's my current hypothesis.
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Re: POLYETHENENE
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2010, 03:16:35 AM »
yeh thats what currently going around in my head
hope its the right answer cause i'll have to errase a weeks thoughts about it
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Re: POLYETHENENE
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2010, 06:49:39 AM »
hmm ok ive done the whole assignment now except for its reaction with water\
PP is only used to body board in warm waters as if it is used in cold waters the board will become to stiff and will snap!
if PE is used in cold waters then the board will be too flexible and offer no projection or anything for turns..
i guess with temperature change it changes the crystallinity or something?

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