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Offline leyown

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Ions and Polyatomic Ions
« on: November 17, 2010, 02:19:21 PM »
I have a question about how polyatomic ions form?

Example: How do we go from H2O to H3O+? Wouldn't the oxygen have fulfilled the octet rule? Why would it form another bond with H?

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Re: Ions and Polyatomic Ions
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2010, 02:27:00 PM »
When there are hydrogen ions (H+) in the solution, then the lone pair of electrons will attract the H+, and oxygen forms a co-ordinate bond with H+, thus forming H3O+.
Octet rule isn't violated
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Re: Ions and Polyatomic Ions
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2010, 02:55:47 PM »
I'm trying to picture this with an electron dot structure.



(1) Why do lone pair electrons attract H+ and other ions? Isn't the oxygen stable since it has a filled octet?

(2) The final molecular formula is H3O+. Does the + indicate that an electron has been lost on oxygen in order to form a bond with the H?


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Re: Ions and Polyatomic Ions
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2010, 12:05:20 PM »
1) O is stable and has its octet completed in H2O but it is one of the highly electronegative atoms. Due to this reason it attracts H+ towards itself.
2) The '+' sign is because the electron pair which initially resided on O is now being shared by O and additional H which came in the form of H+. O has lost no electron. It's octet is still complete! Remember that the incoming H+ is without any electron!

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