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please help me with the mechanism of oxidation with cro3
« on: December 03, 2010, 11:02:50 PM »
please help me with the mechanism of oxidation with cro3

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Re: please help me with the mechanism of oxidation with cro3
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2010, 11:17:04 PM »
Cr(IV not VI) abstracts a proton to make an allylic cation.
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Re: please help me with the mechanism of oxidation with cro3
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2010, 10:51:12 AM »
Check the structure of the product, it doesn't look right. I am not saying it could not be the product, but it is unusual for a proton transfer to occur in the direction implied by the product. If oxidation at the allylic position to a carbonyl occurred that would make more sense.
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Re: please help me with the mechanism of oxidation with cro3
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2010, 09:52:06 PM »
what if i use bromine in acetic acid as a second step
ref: j.chem.soc 1939, 1045

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Re: please help me with the mechanism of oxidation with cro3
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2010, 10:05:34 PM »
I think you can do it under the specified conditions. What sort of rearrangements can you think of?
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Re: please help me with the mechanism of oxidation with cro3
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2010, 10:10:17 PM »
can you just explain me mechanism in detail, please can you draw it.. thanks for your reply.
i just saw the reference that they use bromine in acetic acid to make that double bond.

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Re: please help me with the mechanism of oxidation with cro3
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2010, 10:47:48 PM »
Unfortunately, I don't have drawing software available now.

Orgopete is right in that a 1,4-transposition is strange. If the drawing and reagents are correct, what you have to do is get the olefin in the right spot via cationic chemistry and then keep in mind that oxidation to the carbonyl takes place under these conditions to get to the enone.

 
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Re: please help me with the mechanism of oxidation with cro3
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2010, 08:14:40 AM »
can you just explain me mechanism in detail, please can you draw it.. thanks for your reply.
i just saw the reference that they use bromine in acetic acid to make that double bond.

In that case, it sounds like:

1) BH3
2) H2O2/NaOH
3) CrO3, H2O, H2SO4
4) Br2, HOAc
5) DBU, heat

or something like that.
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Re: please help me with the mechanism of oxidation with cro3
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2010, 11:17:48 AM »
Ah, oKay. I didn't understand what you meant! So sorry!

can you just explain me mechanism in detail, please can you draw it.. thanks for your reply.
i just saw the reference that they use bromine in acetic acid to make that double bond.
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Re: please help me with the mechanism of oxidation with cro3
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2010, 12:26:50 PM »
@MissPhosgene it's ok.
i would like to thankyou and Orgopete for helping me. :) :)
Ah, oKay. I didn't understand what you meant! So sorry!

can you just explain me mechanism in detail, please can you draw it.. thanks for your reply.
i just saw the reference that they use bromine in acetic acid to make that double bond.

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