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Fragmentation of nitrogen trichloride
« on: December 18, 2010, 10:02:56 AM »
the question says that nitrogen trichloride has 3 isotopes, N-14, Cl-35, Cl-37.
It wants the number of lines found in the mass spectrum which correspond to the molecular and fragmented molecular ions excluding atomic ions.

I got 11, but the answer was 9. please help me :)



PS:there's another question, i decided to post them together though.
The relative atomic mass of zinc is 65.37 and its density is 7.14gram per cm cube. What is the volume of 1 atom of zinc give that the Avogadro constant = L per mole or L mol^-1
Answer : (65.37)/( 7.14 x L )

I know this question is very maths with the algebra thing, but I can't figure an approach to getting the answer without jumbling up all the units.

Im really really new to A-level equivalent Chemistry, so I'm trying my best.

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Re: Fragmentation of nitrogen trichloride
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2010, 10:23:03 AM »
the question says that nitrogen trichloride has 3 isotopes, N-14, Cl-35, Cl-37.
It wants the number of lines found in the mass spectrum which correspond to the molecular and fragmented molecular ions excluding atomic ions.

I got 11, but the answer was 9. please help me :)

What are the formulas of the species you have identified?

PS:there's another question, i decided to post them together though.
The relative atomic mass of zinc is 65.37 and its density is 7.14gram per cm cube. What is the volume of 1 atom of zinc give that the Avogadro constant = L per mole or L mol^-1
Answer : (65.37)/( 7.14 x L )

I know this question is very maths with the algebra thing, but I can't figure an approach to getting the answer without jumbling up all the units.

Im really really new to A-level equivalent Chemistry, so I'm trying my best.

What is the volume of one mole of zinc?

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Re: Fragmentation of nitrogen trichloride
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2010, 11:29:52 AM »
the question says that nitrogen trichloride has 3 isotopes, N-14, Cl-35, Cl-37.
It wants the number of lines found in the mass spectrum which correspond to the molecular and fragmented molecular ions excluding atomic ions.

I got 11, but the answer was 9. please help me :)

What are the formulas of the species you have identified?

PS:there's another question, i decided to post them together though.
The relative atomic mass of zinc is 65.37 and its density is 7.14gram per cm cube. What is the volume of 1 atom of zinc give that the Avogadro constant = L per mole or L mol^-1
Answer : (65.37)/( 7.14 x L )

I know this question is very maths with the algebra thing, but I can't figure an approach to getting the answer without jumbling up all the units.

Im really really new to A-level equivalent Chemistry, so I'm trying my best.

What is the volume of one mole of zinc?

I'll try to type it down although I have no idea how to express some of these fragments ><

N-N
N-Cl35
N-Cl37
Cl35-Cl35
Cl37-Cl37
Cl35-Cl37
N-Cl35-Cl37
N-Cl35-Cl35
N-Cl37-Cl37
N-N-Cl35
N-N-Cl37

2) volume of one mole of zinc eh, erm, that would be RAM/density [ 65.34/7.14 ] ?
eh im not sure on this

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Re: Fragmentation of nitrogen trichloride
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2010, 12:10:56 PM »
I'll try to type it down although I have no idea how to express some of these fragments ><

N-N
N-Cl35
N-Cl37
Cl35-Cl35
Cl37-Cl37
Cl35-Cl37
N-Cl35-Cl37
N-Cl35-Cl35
N-Cl37-Cl37
N-N-Cl35
N-N-Cl37

What is the structure of nitrogen trichloride (which atoms are bonded to which)? Some of these are right :), but not others.

2) volume of one mole of zinc eh, erm, that would be RAM/density [ 65.34/7.14 ] ?
eh im not sure on this

Yes, so if one mole has this volume, what does Avogadro's number tell you?

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Re: Fragmentation of nitrogen trichloride
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2010, 12:21:38 PM »
1) Actually I have yet to learn about that, since I just randomly took up these Chemistry books [volume 1 and 2] from my sister. So I started with Volume 1 Chapter 1. [I'm starting my A-levels next year, thought it would be good to have a look at the syllabus]

2) I see, so when volume of one mole divides by Avogadro's constant, i get the volume of one zinc atom. so the key is being able to play around with the units I guess?

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Re: Fragmentation of nitrogen trichloride
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2010, 12:28:56 PM »
Hmm, if it's chapter 1, volume 1, perhaps you'd be given the structure - so if I say that it's NCl3, with each of the chlorines only bonded to the nitrogen,  does that help?

As to part 2, yes, I think that's probably the reason here.

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Re: Fragmentation of nitrogen trichloride
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2010, 01:02:36 PM »
well I guess it does help, but wouldn't it be assumed that the nitrogen trichloride molecule is passed through a mass spectrometer, where all the elements would jumble up and form all kinds of different compound?

Or is there a way to predict how would the elements bond with each other?

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Re: Fragmentation of nitrogen trichloride
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 10:25:10 AM »
My understanding is that the MS typically ionises and often breaks bonds, but that they do not usually reform.

What isotopologues (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isotopologue&oldid=392230094) can you write for a compound with formula NCl3, for instance?

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Re: Fragmentation of nitrogen trichloride
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2010, 12:46:32 PM »
oh, so does it mean the ones below does not occur?

N-N-Cl35
N-N-Cl37
N-N

so does the below occur?

Cl35-Cl35-Cl35
Cl37-Cl37-Cl37
Cl35-Cl37-Cl37
Cl37-Cl37-Cl35

I'm sorry if I'm being slow here, but I've really not learned anything about this, so it's hard to even know where to start.

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Re: Fragmentation of nitrogen trichloride
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2010, 12:54:41 PM »
With a 14N attached, yes.

So you have
  • 14N35Cl
  • 14N37Cl
  • 14N35Cl35Cl
  • 14N35Cl37Cl
  • 14N37Cl37Cl
  • 14N35Cl35Cl35Cl
  • 14N35Cl35Cl37Cl
  • 14N35Cl37Cl37Cl
  • 14N37Cl37Cl37Cl

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Re: Fragmentation of nitrogen trichloride
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2010, 02:46:22 PM »
ok here's a question, why must it have a Nitrogen attached to it? :D

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Re: Fragmentation of nitrogen trichloride
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2010, 12:56:41 PM »
If you look at the structural formula, the only species that allows for detachment of nitrogen is a chlorine atom, which in this case is excluded by the "excluding atomic ions" rider in the question.

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