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Physical chem- Thermo
« on: September 06, 2011, 11:54:53 AM »
One mole of an ideal gas with Cv,m = 3R/2 initially at 325K and 1.50 * 10^5 Pa undergoes a reversible adiabatic compression. At the end of the process, the pressure is 2.50 * 10^6 Pa. Calculate the final temperature of the gas. Calculate q, w, delta U, and delta H for this process.

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Re: Physical chem- Thermo
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2011, 02:27:19 PM »
you must show your attempt first, this is forum policy

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Re: Physical chem- Thermo
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2011, 02:47:36 PM »
Well I know the equations for q, w, delta U, and delta H, but I am unsure of the equation for the first half. I can't find the equation for reversible adiabatic compression, only expansion. I think if I have the equation, I could majority of the problem

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Re: Physical chem- Thermo
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2011, 08:10:45 PM »
Ok so I found that PiViCv,m = PfVfCv,m. But since volume is held constant, I don't know what to plug in for volume. I know that Pi = 1.50*105 Pa and Pf= 2.50*106 Pa. I can plug these into the equation, but where does the temperature come into play? I'm so lost...please help anyone!

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Re: Physical chem- Thermo
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2011, 08:02:26 AM »
How can volume be held constant if you are compressing the gas?

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Re: Physical chem- Thermo
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2011, 12:14:50 PM »
PiViCv,m = PfVfCv,m.
this is only true at constant temperature, which is not the case here.


let's start with the first law of thermodynamics:

dU = dQ - dW

heat loss to surroundings = 0, as it is adiabatic (dQ = 0)
work done at changing volume is: PdV

and

cv = dU/nT (or: dU = ncvdT)

this gives us:
 ncvdT = 0 - PdV

following this you use the ideal gas law (remember, the question stated ideal gas)

pV = nRT; or when differentiated form: VdP + PdV = nRdT
combined:

ncvdT = - (nRdT - VdP) = VdP - nRdT
use cv = 3R/2:

3nRdT/2 = VdP - nRdT, or
5nRdT/2 = VdP

use the gas law in its original form to substitute P for V:

5nRdT/2 = (nRT/P)dP = nRT (dP/P)
which gives:
5dT/2T = dP/P

you have start and end pressure, as well as start temperature, so this is solvable for end temperature.

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Re: Physical chem- Thermo
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2011, 03:42:25 PM »
Thank you! That makes much more sense!

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