January 06, 2025, 08:03:14 PM
Forum Rules: Read This Before Posting


Topic: Thermochemistry question  (Read 7581 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Foobarz

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 73
  • Mole Snacks: +0/-2
Thermochemistry question
« on: December 20, 2011, 09:29:33 PM »
So, under constant volume heat is equal to change in energy 1. (delta E = qv)
And under constant pressure heat is equal to change in enthalpy 2. (delta H = qp)

And derived from definition of enthalpy (I found all these equations in Chang 8th ed.)
3. H = E + PV
4. delta H =  delta E + delta (PV)
5. delta H - delta (PV) = delta E
6. (if constant pressure) delta H - PdeltaV = delta E
So. . .
Does that mean under constant volume. . .
delta H = delta E ?

But. . .
I think that using the definition of enthalpy,
7. (if constant volume) delta H - VdeltaP = delta E     
so under constant volume (use equation 1) delta H - VdeltaP = q ?

Offline Foobarz

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 73
  • Mole Snacks: +0/-2
Re: Thermochemistry question
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 10:16:02 PM »
An append:

In Chang it says that "because reaction sin a bomb calorimeter occur under constant-volume rather than constant-pressure conditions, the heat changes do not correspond to the enthalpy change delta H" Is my last equation in the previous post needed to correct the qv into delta H?

Offline Foobarz

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 73
  • Mole Snacks: +0/-2
Re: Thermochemistry question
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 10:24:31 PM »
*Ignore me, I am impatient*

Offline juanrga

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 231
  • Mole Snacks: +16/-11
    • juanrga - sharing unified knowledge in pure and applied sciences
Re: Thermochemistry question
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2011, 09:08:21 AM »
So, under constant volume heat is equal to change in energy 1. (delta E = qv)
And under constant pressure heat is equal to change in enthalpy 2. (delta H = qp)

And derived from definition of enthalpy (I found all these equations in Chang 8th ed.)
3. H = E + PV
4. delta H =  delta E + delta (PV)
5. delta H - delta (PV) = delta E
6. (if constant pressure) delta H - PdeltaV = delta E
So. . .
Does that mean under constant volume. . .
delta H = delta E ?

But. . .
I think that using the definition of enthalpy,
7. (if constant volume) delta H - VdeltaP = delta E     
so under constant volume (use equation 1) delta H - VdeltaP = q ?

H == E + PV

:delta: H =  :delta: E +  :delta: (PV)

If both P and V are constant

:delta: H =  :delta: E

as you say.

If only P is constant

:delta: H =  :delta: E +  P :delta: V

if only V is constant

:delta: H =  :delta: E +  V :delta: P

and using 1 (closed system)

:delta: H =  Qv +  V :delta: P
Sharing unified knowledge in pure and applied sciences

Sponsored Links