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Titration for fluoride using a fluoride ISE
« on: February 10, 2012, 12:03:54 PM »
Hello,

I work for a metal finishing company and one of the processes we use is an etch for titanium parts. It is a solution of nitric acid and hydrofluoric acid in a 10:1 ratio. My analysis for the fluoride in solution involves a titration using a fluoride ISE and lanthanum nitrate as the titrant. The concentration of the bath should be around 25 g/L. The problem I'm having is that my plotted titration curve is a little hard to read. I'm not getting a sharp break at the equivalence point but more like a gradual curve. It makes guessing my equivalence point a little difficult. Is there a way to manipulate the solution so I end up getting a titration curve with a better equivalence point break or does Le Chatelier just hate me? ;)

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Re: Titration for fluoride using a fluoride ISE
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 02:55:18 PM »
I can be completely off, but have you tried to neutralize the solution first? If I understand you correctly, you are titrating highly acidic solution. HF is a weak acid, in low pH it is protonated, which increases the solubility of the LaF3. At pH 5 it should be no longer a problem.
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Re: Titration for fluoride using a fluoride ISE
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2012, 01:30:05 PM »
Yes you are correct. The low pH keeps the fluoride as HF but to counter that, the first step in my procedure is that I take a 10 mL sample and dilute it to 100 mL with 15% sodium acetate solution. That gets the pH to around 5 or a little higher which releases the F- into the solution for analysis.

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Re: Titration for fluoride using a fluoride ISE
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 02:05:39 PM »
Hm, have you tested the electrode in other solutions, just to check if it doesn't need replacing?
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Re: Titration for fluoride using a fluoride ISE
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2012, 12:25:33 PM »
I perform a titration on a 1 g/L standard solution before my analysis and that curve looks fantastic every time and I get the same value for the equivalence point every time as well.

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