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Amino acids as acid/base
« on: April 01, 2012, 03:30:51 PM »
How does the following reaction demonstrate an amino acid as an acid:
H2NCH2COOH + CH3OH → H2NCH2COOCH3 + H2O

How does the following reaction demonstrate an amino acid as a base:
H2NCH2COOH + CH3COCl → CH3CONHCH2COOH + HCl

An acid is a species that DONATES a proton and a base is a species that ACCEPTS a proton

In both situations it seems more like an esterfication reaction than an acid / base reaction.

Also in the second reaction the H2N loses an H+ for water (I would call that acidic behaviour but it is actually basic behaviour) and the first example COOH loses OH (basic behaviour but is classified as acidic)

I am confused :S

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Re: Amino acids as acid/base
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2012, 03:35:16 PM »
How does the following reaction demonstrate an amino acid as an acid:
H2NCH2COOH + CH3OH → H2NCH2COOCH3 + H2O

How does the following reaction demonstrate an amino acid as a base:
H2NCH2COOH + CH3COCl → CH3CONHCH2COOH + HCl

An acid is a species that DONATES a proton and a base is a species that ACCEPTS a proton

In both situations it seems more like an esterfication reaction than an acid / base reaction.

Also in the second reaction the H2N loses an H+ for water (I would call that acidic behaviour but it is actually basic behaviour) and the first example COOH loses OH (basic behaviour but is classified as acidic)

I am confused :S


Simply put, as you have now experimental details:
The acid catalyses it's own esterification /Fischer esterification).
The N-acylation is just the attack of the amino group on an activated carbonyl species.
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Re: Amino acids as acid/base
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2012, 03:59:47 PM »
Simply put, as you have now experimental details:
The acid catalyses it's own esterification /Fischer esterification).
The N-acylation is just the attack of the amino group on an activated carbonyl species.

but how in either is the amino acid behaving as an acid / base??

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Re: Amino acids as acid/base
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2012, 10:12:38 PM »
What is the reaction mechanism for the two reactions?

Hint: you might want to think about the other definition for acids and bases...


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Re: Amino acids as acid/base
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 05:54:56 AM »
What is the reaction mechanism for the two reactions?

Hint: you might want to think about the other definition for acids and bases...



In truth I was only aware of two definitions: Arhenius and Bronstred?

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Re: Amino acids as acid/base
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 09:34:54 AM »
You haven't come across Lewis acids yet?

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Re: Amino acids as acid/base
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 11:21:19 AM »
You haven't come across Lewis acids yet?

no although I think a Lewis acid is an electron acceptor (from other reading)

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Re: Amino acids as acid/base
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2012, 01:06:55 PM »
Indeed it is, and a Lewis base is an electron donator :P

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Re: Amino acids as acid/base
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2012, 01:15:13 PM »
Here is a guide giving the mechanisms to the two reactions:

Amide formation from acyl chloride and amine:

http://www.chemguide.co.uk/mechanisms/addelim/amines.html

Ester formation from carboxylic acid and alcohol

http://www.chemguide.co.uk/physical/catalysis/esterify.html

The parts that I think might be of particular significance to your question are highlighted below.

With these pictures and your definition of a Lewis acid (and Sadi's definition of a Lewis base), do you have sufficient information to formulate an answer to your question?


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