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triazolium Salt
« on: July 05, 2012, 09:32:58 PM »
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Im having trouble finding a mechanism for this problem :(

This triazolium salt was treated with potassium tert-butoxide in THF and quenched into methanol resulting in 2 LC peaks with masses of 288. When the LC vials were quenched with THF and MeCN, those 2 peaks did not appear. When the reaction was quenched with ethanol, one peak with a mass of 302 appeared by LC. Propose possible structures and mechanism with masses of 288 and 302.

The mechanism is the difficult part which would lead you to the structure.

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Re: triazolium Salt
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2012, 09:49:18 PM »
I know the tert is a strong non-nucleophillic base and is known to be used in dehydrohalogenation reactions but I dont see how a F would be removed. Ive been toying with the mw as a first step to solving this. Adding a carbon would result in mw of 288. Its probably easier than it looks and its possibly just me and my lack of sleep.

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Re: triazolium Salt
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2012, 12:25:51 AM »
I know the tert is a strong non-nucleophillic base and is known to be used in dehydrohalogenation reactions but I dont see how a F would be removed. Ive been toying with the mw as a first step to solving this. Adding a carbon would result in mw of 288. Its probably easier than it looks and its possibly just me and my lack of sleep.

This is displacement of the para F and the ortho F with methoxide, these are the 2 compounds with mass 288.
The other is displacement with ethoxide, probably the para F, to give a compound with mass 302.
Methoxide gives the ortho displacement probably due to less steric crowding.
Perhaps you can work out the mechanism?
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Re: triazolium Salt
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2012, 02:50:39 AM »
I believe i might have the general mechanism for them. The base deprotonates the O forming the methoxide then a simple sn2 reaction occurs replacing the F(better leaving group) with methoxide. This yields a molecule with the mw of 288 or 302 in the case of ethanol. Im not 100% on it but ill work on it some more tomorrow and post my results and mechanism.

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Re: triazolium Salt
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2012, 03:02:55 AM »
I believe i might have the general mechanism for them. The base deprotonates the O forming the methoxide then a simple sn2 reaction occurs replacing the F(better leaving group) with methoxide. This yields a molecule with the mw of 288 or 302 in the case of ethanol. Im not 100% on it but ill work on it some more tomorrow and post my results and mechanism.

You seem to be on the right track.
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Re: triazolium Salt
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2012, 08:24:55 PM »
So the mechanism began with the deprotonation of the O by the base from the alcohol forming the alkoxide. This then displaces one of the F by SnAr reaction. This allows only for para and ortho positions of the methoxide. The ethoxide is para only because of the bulkier group.

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Re: triazolium Salt
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2012, 11:52:23 PM »
So the mechanism began with the deprotonation of the O by the base from the alcohol forming the alkoxide. This then displaces one of the F by SnAr reaction. This allows only for para and ortho positions of the methoxide. The ethoxide is para only because of the bulkier group.

Seems ok to me.
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