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Offline mattidore

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Indentifying an unkown element, correct or coincidence?
« on: July 10, 2012, 11:08:54 PM »
A metal sulphate has the formula M2SO4. 10.99g of the compound was dissolved in water to make 500cm3 of solution. A 25.00cm3 sample was removed and reacted with an excess of BaCl2 to produce a precipitate of BaSO4, which, when dried had a mass of 1.167g.

a) Determine the number of moles of BaSO4
b) Determine the concentration of the M2SO4
c) Determine the number of moles of M2SO4 solution
d) Determine the molar mass of M2SO4
e) Determine the identity of M.

I was able to do (a) using the n=m/Mr and got 0.005mols, but in the answers it said 5mol, I understand it's probably because of the conversion from cm3 to dm3 but why must you take this into account when finding the number of moles?

MAIN QUESTION: I was stumped at (b), but if I knew b I would be able to do solve the rest of the question because the rest are pretty simple. How do I solve (b)?

PS: Also, after trying to find the answer to (b) I gave up and tried a new method
χ2SO4 = 10.99g

n(SO4) = 10.99/96.06 = 0.1144mol

m(S) = 3.668 [m=n x Mr  :rarrow: 0.1144 x 32.06]
m(O2) = 1.830 (same as above)

10.99 - (3.668 + 1.830) = 5.498g [of just x in 10.99g of χ2SO4]

then 1 - 0.1144 = 0.8856mol [of just x in 10.99g of χ2SO4]

therefore Mr = m/n = 5.498/0.8856 = 6.208gmol-1
which is ≈ Li.

the answer in the answer sheet was Lithium too. Just wondering, if this was pure coincidence or what not?

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Re: Indentifying an unkown element, correct or coincidence?
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 12:54:14 AM »
0.005 mol is correct, because n =m/M.  You have a mass of BaSO4 divided by the molare Mass ofm it.  It doesnt matter what was the volume before.

Lithium is correct. YOu can calculate more simple.

The 0.005 mol in 25 cm3 calculate to 500 cm3

This value is equal og the unknown substance. Again by using M = m/n you get the molare mass of the substance.


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Re: Indentifying an unkown element, correct or coincidence?
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 04:08:15 AM »
MAIN QUESTION: I was stumped at (b), but if I knew b I would be able to do solve the rest of the question because the rest are pretty simple. How do I solve (b)?

From the precipitation stoichiometry you know there were 5 millimoles of SO42- in the 25 mL - that means there were also 5 millimoles of Li2SO4 (dissociated) in these 25 mL. Can you calculate the concentration now?
« Last Edit: July 11, 2012, 05:35:39 AM by Borek »
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Re: Indentifying an unkown element, correct or coincidence?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 06:56:48 AM »
n(SO4) = 10.99/96.06 = 0.1144mol

This, and hence the remainder of the method is incorrect. You cannot segregate the moieties of a certain compound and find moles individually according to their atomic/molecular masses.

The actual atomic mass of Li is 6.941 u, but you got 6.208. It's just coincidence, that in this problem the actual answer and your answer have the same GIF value.

Actual method - refer to Hunter2's post
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