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Addition of bromine to cis/trans
« on: October 05, 2012, 10:40:22 AM »
1.I was solving a problem where bromine is added in dark to cis and trans form of 2-methyl-2-butenoic acid. I thought that one pair of enantiomers will be made, as the rotation around a single bond should be allowed here, but in the answer there are 2 pairs of enantiomers. I can't think of why would be the rotation forbidden here and two atropisomers made. Is there a logical explanation for the correct answer (2 pairs)?

2. What is the type of reaction between benzaldehyde and malonic acid in pyridine?

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Re: Addition of bromine to cis/trans
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2012, 11:28:14 AM »
1. Can you clarify this: Do you mean addition of bromine to a mixture of E/Z-2-methyl-2-butenoic acid, or addition of bromine to each isomer separately? Pay attention to mechanism. Hint: bromonium

2. Hint: keto-enol tautomerism
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Re: Addition of bromine to cis/trans
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2012, 11:37:22 AM »
1.Bromine is added to a mixture of Z and E isomers. The bromine atoms will be attached to the 2nd and 3rd C atom, but how 4 stereoisomers arise (isn't the rotation around the C-C bond allowed here)?

2.How can benzaldehyde form an enol when the alpha C atoms doesn't have a H attached to it?

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Re: Addition of bromine to cis/trans
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012, 11:42:06 AM »
Dan said bromonium. What is a bromonium species?

The other question: you just don't have benzaldehyde, malonic acid is also present as is pyridine.
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Re: Addition of bromine to cis/trans
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012, 12:47:16 PM »
1. Br+ and I know the mechanism. How can Br+ help me know if 2 or 4 stereoisomers are made?

2.No idea  ???.

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Re: Addition of bromine to cis/trans
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2012, 12:50:09 PM »
You will get 2 chiral centers, that is 22 isomers = 4 diastereoisomers.
(R)(R), (S)(S), (R)(S) and (S)(R). Two enantiomeric pairs.
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Re: Addition of bromine to cis/trans
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2012, 01:35:48 PM »
Right, I was thinking in the wrong direction. Thanks.

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Re: Addition of bromine to cis/trans
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2012, 07:48:29 AM »
2.No idea  ???.

I gave you a hint: keto-enol tautomerism. Make an enol out of malonic acid.

Enols are nucleophiles, they react with electrophiles. Are there any electrophiles present?
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