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Lazy ways to make acid halides?
« on: March 11, 2013, 11:37:30 AM »
Greetings,

Are there any convenient ways to make acid halides from carboxylic acids? I tried PBr3 with an acid, and I still need to remove the acid bromide by distillation.

Is thionyl chloride a good method to do so? since it's final byproduct is an inorganic acid and a gas SO2?? is there other ways too?

Can I react Sulfuryl chloride with an aldehyde to give an acid halide? I read the Wiki of sulfuryl chloride and it says "SO2Cl2 is widely used as a reagent in the conversion of C-H → C-Cl adjacent to activating substituents such as carbonyls and sulfoxides".

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Re: Lazy ways to make acid halides?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2013, 11:48:38 AM »
Thionyl chloride. Both by products are gases, HCl and SO2. Do it at reflux temp. and they will disappear up the chimney.
You don't need a solvent, just do the whole thing in SOCl2. At the end evaporate the excess thionyl chloride, and distill or crystallise or react your acid chloride.
PBr3 usually brominates the alpha carbon of the acid, see Hell-Vollhardt-Zelinsky reactions.
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Re: Lazy ways to make acid halides?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2013, 12:25:56 PM »
Thionyl chloride. Both by products are gases, HCl and SO2. Do it at reflux temp. and they will disappear up the chimney.
You don't need a solvent, just do the whole thing in SOCl2. At the end evaporate the excess thionyl chloride, and distill or crystallise or react your acid chloride.
PBr3 usually brominates the alpha carbon of the acid, see Hell-Vollhardt-Zelinsky reactions.

Thank you for you suggestions Discodermolide!

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Re: Lazy ways to make acid halides?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2013, 01:09:56 PM »
I've used oxalyl chloride with cat. DMF a few times to generate acyl chlorides for amide synthesis. I just injected the crude reaction mixture into a solution of the amine coupling partner once the acyl chloride formation was complete. Workup was just a couple of aqueous washes, usually >90% yield and clean by NMR.
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Re: Lazy ways to make acid halides?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2013, 03:51:00 PM »
I've used oxalyl chloride with cat. DMF a few times to generate acyl chlorides for amide synthesis. I just injected the crude reaction mixture into a solution of the amine coupling partner once the acyl chloride formation was complete. Workup was just a couple of aqueous washes, usually >90% yield and clean by NMR.

Without searching for prior references (Fieser & Fieser?), I believe catalytic DMF can be used effectively with several reagents, oxalyl, thionyl, or phosphoryl chloride, or phosgene. The imidoyl chloride is an effective reagent generated in situ.
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Re: Lazy ways to make acid halides?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2013, 07:00:06 PM »
Should old thionyl chloride be distilled or discarded?

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