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Quantum mechanics question
« on: August 20, 2013, 12:35:32 PM »
I seem to have difficulty solving this question -

The effective length of the system in the conjugated linear hydrocarbon hexa-1,3,5-triene, C6H8, is 7.4 Å. By treating the electrons as particles in a one-dimensional box, calculate the wavelength of the lowest energy absorption in the electronic spectrum of hexa-1,3,5-triene.
I believe I only have to apply the condition for resonance where f=2L/n but am not getting anywhere with it...


Can anyone help me? Thanks!

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Re: Quantum mechanics question
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2013, 12:56:59 PM »
I believe I only have to apply the condition for resonance where f=2L/n but am not getting anywhere with it...

Is f the frequency? And L the length of the "box"? Remember that it's a quantum mechanics problem, not a vibrating string.
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Re: Quantum mechanics question
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2013, 01:21:44 PM »
Is f the frequency? And L the length of the "box"? Remember that it's a quantum mechanics problem, not a vibrating string.
Yes you're right. Its λ=2L/n.
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Re: Quantum mechanics question
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2013, 01:54:15 PM »
What are the energy levels in a particle in a box model?
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Re: Quantum mechanics question
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2013, 02:46:13 PM »
What are the energy levels in a particle in a box model?
They're given by n2h2/8ml2.

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Re: Quantum mechanics question
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2013, 03:35:00 PM »
Right, so the question wants to know what the lowest energy transition is. A transition must be between two states that have integer values of n. So, for instance, n = 3 to n = 4 is the transition between the n = 3 state and the n = 4 state,

Based on the formula you provided, what transition is going to have the smallest energy?

Example: for a transition between states with n = 3 to n = 4, the energy is 7 (42 - 32 = 7) in units of h2 / 8ml2.

Once you figure out what the lowest energy transition will be (from what n to what n + 1), you need to determine what the energy change is going to be for that transition in a box with length stipulated in the original problem.
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Re: Quantum mechanics question
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 12:46:11 AM »
Right, so the question wants to know what the lowest energy transition is. A transition must be between two states that have integer values of n. So, for instance, n = 3 to n = 4 is the transition between the n = 3 state and the n = 4 state,

Based on the formula you provided, what transition is going to have the smallest energy?

Example: for a transition between states with n = 3 to n = 4, the energy is 7 (42 - 32 = 7) in units of h2 / 8ml2.

Once you figure out what the lowest energy transition will be (from what n to what n + 1), you need to determine what the energy change is going to be for that transition in a box with length stipulated in the original problem.
Okay, so the lowest energy transition for this case will be from n=1 to n=2, so (22-12)h2/(8ml2)=hc/λ, right?

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Re: Quantum mechanics question
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2013, 10:14:35 AM »
That would be the right approach, yes. Just be careful with units - the non-SI units for wavelength, molecular length and light speed can be a minefield.
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Re: Quantum mechanics question
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2013, 02:28:57 PM »
Thanks for the help. I'll try it out...

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