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Offline Mpatas

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Alternative to HCl salt formation
« on: March 05, 2014, 07:21:36 AM »
Hello to everyone,

I want to form the HCl salt of piperidine during the reduction of pyiridine. Since now, I have been doing that using CHCl3 in a big excess in ethanol but my supervisor doesn't like that because is not green enough. My second thought was to use a solution of HCl in methanol. I want your opinion and your suggestions.

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Re: Alternative to HCl salt formation
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2014, 08:57:05 AM »
That could work. 
I have a few ideas but can you tell us more detail about the method/conditions you are using?  You are wanting to form the salt as the reaction proceeds rather than after completed? 
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Re: Alternative to HCl salt formation
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2014, 10:35:18 AM »
I reduce substituted pyridines to piperidines using PtO2 as the catalyst under 3 bars pressure of Hydrogen gas. I normally do it in ethanol/Chloroform with 10/1 ratio and when the reaction is complete I just filter and evaporate to get the HCl salt of the piperidine. It does work but it's not green because I use Chloroform in a big excess.

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Re: Alternative to HCl salt formation
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2014, 02:56:30 PM »
So what it is it green! You can always re-cycle the chloroform!
There is no green chemistry.
If the reaction works well use it, to hell with the greenness of the process.
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