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Offline greentea11

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CN- ions
« on: March 11, 2014, 07:25:11 PM »
For the attached reaction, the only reagent given is CN- ions. So they must act as a catalyst, so I thought benzoin reaction/condensation, however I cannot reach the correct product from this

I then thought 1,4 addition to second reactant to remove the double bond

not sure what route to go with for this, just can't seem to get the product, any hints?

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Re: CN- ions
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2014, 07:29:33 PM »
Is there any chance that you missed a "Ph" group in your product?

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Re: CN- ions
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2014, 07:30:45 PM »
yes! oops
should be on the carbon adjacent to the first carbonyl group

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Re: CN- ions
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2014, 10:02:57 AM »
Now it should be more straightforward how to get to the product.

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Re: CN- ions
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2014, 10:36:24 AM »
I can't see how to do it though, my benzoin condensation doesn't bring the correct product? I don't know how to attach the the reactants at the carbon they form the product, by only using CN-?

Edit: think I got it

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Re: CN- ions
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2014, 07:32:03 PM »
Try a PTC (Phase Transfer Catalyst).  CN- is, indeed, a nucleophile. :o
« Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 07:42:17 PM by zsinger »
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