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Phase philosophical definition
« on: September 25, 2014, 05:17:00 AM »
How many atoms/molecules make a phase?

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Re: Phase philosophical definition
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2014, 09:40:23 AM »
I don't understand the question.
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Re: Phase philosophical definition
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2014, 09:57:55 AM »
One molecule can't be liquid. How many molecules are needed for a substance (e.g. HCl) to be called a liquid?

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Re: Phase philosophical definition
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2014, 10:30:59 AM »
Congratulations. You've just stumbled into a sorites paradox.
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Re: Phase philosophical definition
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2014, 11:32:42 AM »

According to this definition of phase http://www.quantachrome.co.uk/en/dictionary/phase.asp:
phase (noun) - a thermodynamic state of matter that has physically distinctive properties in comparison with other states of chemically identical matter

So I guess the non-philosophical response is that it depends on how many atoms are needed to produce a particular chemical property.

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Re: Phase philosophical definition
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2014, 12:30:27 PM »
So I guess the non-philosophical response is that it depends on how many atoms are needed to produce a particular chemical property.

A friend of mine did (for his masters,back in eighties) QM calculations to find out how the properties of some particular crystal change when it grows, to find out when it can be called "a solid".
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