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reaction of AgNO3 with R-Br?
« on: March 19, 2006, 07:19:15 PM »
I did the following experiment:
2mL of 2% AgNO3 ethanolic solution was added to three test tubes
then, in each test tube, I added 2 drops of:
1. ethyl-bromide -> no reaction
2. isopropyl-bromide -> slow reaction
3. tert-butyl-bromide -> immediate reaction

but I'm not really sure what happens?
here is what I think:
R-Br -> R+ + Br- (1)
Ag+ + Br- -> AgBr (2)
R+ + H2O -> ROH2+ (3)
ROH2+ + NO3- -> ROH + HNO3 (4)
(I mean, ROH2+ + H2O -> ROH + H3O+ (5), and with NO3- present there, it's effectively HNO3)

if it's AgNO3 in >=96% EtOH then the EtOH is likely to do the water's dirty job: solvolysis (3) and collecting protons (5)

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Re:reaction of AgNO3 with R-Br?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2006, 09:04:02 AM »
I did the following experiment:
2mL of 2% AgNO3 ethanolic solution was added to three test tubes
then, in each test tube, I added 2 drops of:
1. ethyl-bromide -> no reaction
2. isopropyl-bromide -> slow reaction
3. tert-butyl-bromide -> immediate reaction

but I'm not really sure what happens?
here is what I think:
R-Br -> R+ + Br- (1)
Ag+ + Br- -> AgBr (2)
R+ + H2O -> ROH2+ (3)   (No water in AgNO3 ehanolic solution)
ROH2+ + NO3- -> ROH + HNO3 (4)
(I mean, ROH2+ + H2O -> ROH + H3O+ (5), and with NO3- present there, it's effectively HNO3)

if it's AgNO3 in >=96% EtOH then the EtOH is likely to do the water's dirty job: solvolysis (3) and collecting protons (5)
« Last Edit: March 20, 2006, 09:05:14 AM by fishyuyue »

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Re:reaction of AgNO3 with R-Br?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2006, 10:20:22 AM »
perhaps you didn't see:

if it's AgNO3 in >=96% EtOH then the EtOH is likely to do the water's dirty job: solvolysis (3) and collecting protons (5)

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Re:reaction of AgNO3 with R-Br?
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2006, 01:41:52 AM »
ROH2+ + NO3- -> ROH + HNO3 (4)( nitric acid is a stronge acid and it can ionizes into H cation and nitrate anions totally

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Re:reaction of AgNO3 with R-Br?
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2006, 04:22:32 AM »
This is a classical experiment into studying carbocations.
And it is probably a SN1 reaction happening with an ionic intermdiate that is stabilized in the protic ethanol solvent.

You have figured out much. The nitric acid however is dissociated in the solution. But the solvation shells is associated with eachother.
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Re:reaction of AgNO3 with R-Br?
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2006, 09:20:39 AM »
Yes!
This Sn1 reaction and r3>r2>r1
you shoul read Murch, reactions in organic chemistry, T1

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