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Offline Katsurao

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Products of H2SO4+Al=a rotten egg-like smell?
« on: January 09, 2015, 11:25:02 PM »
I simply added ~44% H2SO4 to some aluminium foil and after sometime I began to smell an odor similar to stink bombs and rotten eggs.

I know that 2 Al + 3 H2So4 = Al2(SO4)3 + 3 H2 and that 3 H2SO4 + Al2O3 = Al2(SO4)3 + 3 H2O, but I don't believe that any of these would lead to a foul-smelling gas..could it have been contaminants?

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Re: Products of H2SO4+Al=a rotten egg-like smell?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2015, 03:01:42 AM »
Contamination is one possible answer. The other is reduction of sulfate to H2S by the evolving hydrogen.
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Re: Products of H2SO4+Al=a rotten egg-like smell?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2015, 06:42:21 AM »
Household aluminum foil is pretty impure, trace amounts of other elements are part of the trade secret (which by now most manufacturers have figured out) -- very pure aluminum foil doesn't make strong sheets.   Likewise, if you're using hardware store muriatic acid, its often impure.  I've observed the same thing when using hardware store HCl.
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Re: Products of H2SO4+Al=a rotten egg-like smell?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2015, 01:31:15 PM »
Borek, do you have a reference for  hydrogen reducing the sulfate ion? That's something I've never heard of under these conditions.
My guess is impurities in your sulfuric acid. Aluminum foil contains about 96-98% All and the rest is iron and silicon. None of these will reduce sulfate to sulfide.
Arkon, he used sulfuric acid not hydrochloric.
I've always bought pure sulfuric acid, so I've never had this happen to me, but be careful, hydrogen sulfide is more toxic than hydrogen cyanide!

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Re: Products of H2SO4+Al=a rotten egg-like smell?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2015, 03:25:40 PM »
Borek, do you have a reference for  hydrogen reducing the sulfate ion?

No, no reference. It is just something I have been told years ago by one of my teachers.
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Re: Products of H2SO4+Al=a rotten egg-like smell?
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2015, 07:26:39 PM »
Gah.  Sorry everybody, confused this with a similar thread.  Yes, active metal with sulfuric acid shouldn't produce H2S.  I suppose it will depend on the source of your sulfuric acid.
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