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Permanganate and an alkane
« on: April 29, 2006, 07:26:34 PM »
Hello, would potassium permanganate just dehydrate an alkane to form an alkene? Also could anyone point me into a direction on how pyridinium hydrobromide perbromide, brominates an alkene? Do the bromines just add to both carbons involved in the double bond, or is it an allylic type bromination?


My carey and williamson books have left me pretty helpless with these reagents.

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Re: Permanganate and an alkane
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2006, 04:49:46 AM »
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Hello, would potassium permanganate just dehydrate an alkane to form an alkene?
Dehydration is a reduction, permanganate is a strong oxidizing agent, it can't dehydrate an alkane, so there is something wrong.

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Re: Permanganate and an alkane
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2006, 11:19:26 AM »
dehydration is an oxidation:

C(-III)H3-C(-III)H3 - H2 ->
C(-II)H2-C(-II)H2

carbon is oxidized and the substance that reacts with  H2 is reduced

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I don't think permanganate reacts with alkanes. If it did form an alkene, the alkene would be much more reactive and you'd only get the diole.
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Re: Permanganate and an alkane
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2006, 06:46:33 PM »
Dehydration is neither an oxidation nor a reduction.  It's just loss of water.

Dehydrogenation is an oxidation (e.g., alkane to alkene)

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Re: Permanganate and an alkane
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2006, 03:03:15 PM »
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Dehydration is neither an oxidation nor a reduction.  It's just loss of water.
Sorry movies, this is a germanism.
In German Dehydrogenation is spelled "Dehydrierung"....stupid germanism.... :(

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Re: Permanganate and an alkane
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2006, 03:31:19 PM »
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Dehydration is neither an oxidation nor a reduction.  It's just loss of water.
Sorry movies, this is a germanism.
In German Dehydrogenation is spelled "Dehydrierung"....stupid germanism.... :(

Heh, that's okay.  Lots of subtleties get lost in translation, I'm sure!

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