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Concentration of species in Na2CO3 solution?
« on: November 07, 2016, 07:40:58 PM »
The problem states to calculate the concentrations of all the species in a 0.455 M Na2CO3 solution.
The species include:
[CO32-]
[HCO3-]
[H2CO3]
[Na+]
[OH-]
[H+]
And that for H2CO3, Ka1 = 4.2 x 10-7 and that Ka2 = 4.8 x 10-11
I understand how the mathematics works behind this, though I don't understand how it ionizes and re-ionizes.
Is Na2CO3 the starting species or is H2CO3?
If Na is the starting species, is water added to it to cause it to dissociate, forming a separate ion from the sodium ion? At which point, the water would react to form OH or is it opposite where H simply dissociates in a water solution and NaOH is added?
Could someone help by writing the ionization equations? Since I'm completely lost in regards to that.
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Re: Concentration of species in Na2CO3 solution?
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2016, 01:46:00 AM »
The following equilibrium exists:

H2::equil:: H+ + OH-

2H+ + CO32- ::equil:: H2CO3

H2CO3  ::equil:: H+ + HCO3-

H+ + CO32-  ::equil:: HCO3-

And of course Na2CO3 completely ionizes in water upon dissolving in water:

Na2CO3  :rarrow: 2Na+ + CO32-
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Re: Concentration of species in Na2CO3 solution?
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2016, 02:34:05 AM »
2H+ + CO32- ::equil:: H2CO3

H2CO3  ::equil:: H+ + HCO3-

H+ + CO32-  ::equil:: HCO3-

I find posting all three confusing and not necessary. There are only two real, independent equilibria present in the solution. As dissociation is a stepwise process, I prefer listing the first and the second dissociation steps only. Overall reaction - while often useful in calculations - is just a sum of these two.

Is Na2CO3 the starting species or is H2CO3?

Actually choice of a starting point doesn't matter. If you really understand the math behind, system is described by the system of equations - mass balances, charge balance and three individual equilibria. Assuming Na+ doesn't hydrolyze (it does, but in negligible amounts) amount of Na+ present will be inserted into the charge balance equation and that's enough to correctly solve the problem.

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Re: Concentration of species in Na2CO3 solution?
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2016, 05:12:13 PM »
Actually choice of a starting point doesn't matter. If you really understand the math behind, system is described by the system of equations - mass balances, charge balance and three individual equilibria. Assuming Na+ doesn't hydrolyze (it does, but in negligible amounts) amount of Na+ present will be inserted into the charge balance equation and that's enough to correctly solve the problem.

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Thank you! I see.
So since the concentration of Na2CO3 is 0.445 M, we would use the Kb of CO32-, correct?

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Re: Concentration of species in Na2CO3 solution?
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2016, 05:47:25 PM »
Single Kb value is not enough, you need to take into account both dissociation steps. As long as you include Kw (water dissociation equilibrium) in your attempts to find tehsolution, it doesn't matter whether you use Ka1,2 or Kb1,2 values.
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