November 24, 2024, 12:45:30 AM
Forum Rules: Read This Before Posting


Topic: Chelating ability  (Read 4585 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline vikram

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 41
  • Mole Snacks: +1/-0
Chelating ability
« on: January 27, 2017, 02:21:49 PM »
Which has better chelating ability out of Urea,Citric acid and glycine?

Thank you:)

Offline AWK

  • Retired Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 7976
  • Mole Snacks: +555/-93
  • Gender: Male
Re: Chelating ability
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2017, 02:44:11 PM »
Complexes of urea are generally weak.
For other two chelators there are no simple answer.
AWK

Offline wildfyr

  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1776
  • Mole Snacks: +203/-10
Re: Chelating ability
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2017, 04:24:16 PM »
My gut says citric acid is best but I have nothing to back that up.

Offline Babcock_Hall

  • Chemist
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5705
  • Mole Snacks: +330/-24
Re: Chelating ability
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2017, 05:17:34 PM »
Which has better chelating ability out of Urea,Citric acid and glycine?

Thank you:)
What are your thoughts?  It is a forum rule that you start by giving your answer or your thoughts.  My suggestion is that you start by asking yourself what the definition of the chelate effect is.

Offline AWK

  • Retired Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 7976
  • Mole Snacks: +555/-93
  • Gender: Male
Re: Chelating ability
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2017, 07:51:04 PM »
Find data. You can finf it through google.
AWK

Offline phth

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 528
  • Mole Snacks: +39/-4
Re: Chelating ability
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2017, 11:45:07 PM »
citric acid is the best because it is tridentate, so it takes 3x as much dissociation as a mono dentate tricarboxylate ligand or 1.5x as much work to remove as a bidentate ligand...

Offline Arkcon

  • Retired Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 7367
  • Mole Snacks: +533/-147
Re: Chelating ability
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2017, 06:41:11 AM »
After all these posts, could the O.P. be troubled to tell us what ion they're trying to chelate?  It does matter.  For example, nickel and iron have a very high affinity for citrate.  But maybe other ions form stronger complexes with the other chleators.
Hey, I'm not judging.  I just like to shoot straight.  I'm a man of science.

Offline vikram

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 41
  • Mole Snacks: +1/-0
Re: Chelating ability
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2017, 07:04:17 AM »
Thank you for your suggestions.I posted this on behalf of my friend.He want to know its chelating ability towards Al3+ ion.

Even I believe citric acid would be the best. But It's just an intuition as I don't have any supporting document.

Offline AWK

  • Retired Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 7976
  • Mole Snacks: +555/-93
  • Gender: Male
Re: Chelating ability
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2017, 07:56:47 AM »
The strongest chelator properties for Al3+ show EDTA and salicylic acid, citric and oxalic acid (a bit less than citric acid).

http://www.coldcure.com/html/stability_constants.html
AWK

Sponsored Links