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Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« on: June 18, 2006, 01:34:57 PM »
Hi-
  This is my first post and I am trying to figure out how this reaction works, and what the product is.  Please see attached photo of reaction... any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Melissa

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2006, 01:53:49 PM »
This looks like a Diels-Alder reaction to me. ;)

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2006, 02:13:07 PM »
Ok, so if this is a diels alder reaction, the two double bonds will break and form methyl groups on the ring, right? And there will only be one double bond in the ring?

Then, the C=C-N, acting as a dienophile will break it's double bond and attach on the the positions as shown in the attached picture?

I still think I am wrong, but I think I am maybe getting closer?
My other idea is that a bicycloproduct will form.

Let me know if I am on the right track
  Thank you!

-Melissa

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2006, 02:17:24 PM »
I am no expert, I have only taught myself this from a book, but I don't think that would be the Diels-Alder product (certainly no methyl groups, but there will be only one double bond remaining). Take a look at how Diels-Alder reactions happen here or google Diels-Alder.

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2006, 02:23:30 PM »
Using that, this is what I come up with.

Is this close?

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2006, 02:25:00 PM »
Yup! Thats what I got.

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2006, 02:32:41 PM »
Aliright, now, to name it :)

The double bond gets 1st priority, so knowing that, would it be named:

4-cyano-[2.2.1]-bicyclooctene?

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2006, 02:34:45 PM »
Oops, I meant it to be a [2.2.2]bicyclooctene

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2006, 02:40:46 PM »
I think it would be 5-cyanobicyclo[2.2.2]octene, but I'm not 100% sure.

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2006, 02:53:15 PM »
Alrighty, well, thank you for all your help today!  I'm working on another problem as well, and depending how that goes, I might have another reaction posted later :)

Thanks again!

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2006, 03:12:47 PM »
I would call it bicyclo[2.2.2]oct-5-ene-2-carbonitrile.

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2006, 03:16:15 PM »
Yeah, thats what ChemDraw calls it, but it recognises 5-cyanobicyclo[2.2.2]octene, and that sounds like a better name for it (although nitrile is a better name for -CN in organic chem). ;)

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2006, 03:24:10 PM »
Although nitrile is a better name for -CN in organic chem. ;)

Yes, exactly. I tried the name you proposed too. However, according to my organic chem book, nitrile is better than cyano.
Last but not least, bicyclo[2.2.2]oct-5-ene-2-carbonitrile makes easier to understand the position of the double bond and the -CN group.

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Re: Reaction help... acrylonitrile?
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2006, 04:24:17 PM »
The way I learned numbering for bicycles would give the name 5-cyano-bicyclo[2.2.2]octene, for what that's worth.

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