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...conjugate base for 2nd stage ionization...
« on: August 15, 2006, 12:56:47 PM »
Can someone explain why the answer is not equal to Ka2? According to my book,

For diprotic acids, if Ka1 > Ka2, then we can assume that the concentration of H+ ions is the product of only the first stage of ionization. Further, the concentration of the conjugate base for the second-stage ionization is numerically equal to Ka2

H2C6H6O6 <----> HC6H6O6- + H+   Ka1 = 7.9 x 10-5

HC6H6O6- <----> C6H6O6-2 + H+   Ka2 = 1.65 x 10-12


After using ICE, the answer apparently is x = H+ = .0028  ...but shouldn't it be 1.65 x 10-12? Someone please shed some light :)

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Re: ...conjugate base for 2nd stage ionization...
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2006, 02:26:59 PM »
For diprotic acids, if Ka1 > Ka2, then we can assume that the concentration of H+ ions is the product of only the first stage of ionization.

Only if the difference is large enough.

http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=pH-calculation&right=pH-polyprotic-simplified

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Further, the concentration of the conjugate base for the second-stage ionization is numerically equal to Ka2

Using Ka2 definition:

Ka2 = [A2-][H+]/[HA-]

and solving it for [A2-] we get:

[A2-] = Ka2 [HA-]/[H+]

If all H+ is from the first dissociation step we can assume [HA-] = [H+] - so these cancel out, leaving only Ka2 on the right side of the equation.

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After using ICE, the answer apparently is x = H+ = .0028  ...but shouldn't it be 1.65 x 10-12?

H+ and A2- are completely different things...
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