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a pH calculation question
« on: October 28, 2020, 12:43:02 PM »
I've been tutoring chemistry and I think something has gone horribly wrong in my brain - I was working with someone today and we came across the question 'calculate the pH of the mixture formed when 25 cm3 of 2 mol dm–3 sodium hydroxide solution is added to 50 cm3 of 2 mol dm–3 ethanoic acid, for which Ka = 1.7 × 10–5 mol dm–3.'

My answer kept coming out at above 13 but the answers given in the question were all between 2 and 4 - am I doing something wrong? My working is:
moles OH-
moles H+ using Ka
Subtract moles H+ from OH-
Divide Kw by OH- moles and then -log the answer.

What am I doing wrong?

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Re: a pH calculation question
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2020, 01:06:11 PM »
A good place to start is to write out a chemical equation.  Do you know anything about buffers?

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Re: a pH calculation question
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2020, 01:27:17 PM »
Yeah, but isn't a buffer a weak acid + salt of the weak acid? Here we've got strong base + weak acid which I thought was basically just an uneven neutralisation.

My equation would be

NaOH + CH3COOH -> H2O + NaCH3COO

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Re: a pH calculation question
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2020, 01:33:02 PM »
Yes it is, but here you produce the salt if you add the hydroxide to the weak acid, so how much salt and how much acid is left.

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Re: a pH calculation question
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2020, 01:33:57 PM »
Just going by pure intuition here, without doing any calculations: you are mixing approximately equal volumes (same order of magnitude) of a equally concentrated weak acid and strong base. A pH of 2-4 for the resulting solution seems way off. I would expect alkaline solution as well.


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Re: a pH calculation question
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2020, 01:43:07 PM »
Pure intuition (plus some mental math) tells me pH=pKa here ;)
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Re: a pH calculation question
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2020, 01:50:50 PM »
Oh wait, my intuition was stupid. Forgot about the whole equilibrium thing. Brain fart, need more coffee, haha ;)
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Re: a pH calculation question
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2020, 02:09:34 PM »
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