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I don't understand how in this image: https://imgur.com/a/ljr00lX , The square on [H] was removed. If anything shouldn't be multiplied with 0.3?
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Calculate pH of solution containing 0.1M HS and 0.3M HCl. Ka = 1.2*10^-20
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As far as I can tell not only square was lost, but also concentration of H+ should be 0.3+2Cα, not 0.3+Cα. Looks like a careless mistake to me.

And no, it shouldn't be multiplied just by 0.3, it should be squared. Although assuming concentration of H+ is just 0.3 is a very good approximation in this case, as the dissociation of H2S produces H+ in the 10-7 range.
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I don't understand why it should be added though?

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In Ka you need to account for a total concentration of an ion, which is a sum of concentrations coming from all sources.

You have 0.3M H+ for the strong acid, when H2S dissociates H+ from its dissociation adds up.
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But isn't that the 0.3M from a different source? why do you still square it?

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I already told you:

In Ka you need to account for a total concentration of an ion

Acid (nor any other reacting substance) doesn't know where each ion/molecule it is reacting with comes from, they are all identical, and they all behave identically.
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Why still square it?

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Not sure what your question really is. [H+]2 is part of the acid dissociation constant definition (actually it doesn't have to be defined, it can be derived from the thermodynamics considerations).
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