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Antifreeze poisoning?
« on: October 23, 2023, 06:55:09 AM »
Hi,

I'm unsure of where to post this question, so I thought I'd try here first. Please move or direct me to move if needed. I'll post some possible examples of my suspicion after some backstory:

I think my ex wife is trying to poison me with antifreeze. She has displayed this type of behavior before: I've caught her mixing one of her Vallium in my drink and one time she came to my house with our kids the day before my birthday to bring me a cake. She said my oldest daughter (about 3 at the time) wanted to give me something. My daughter gave me a chocolate covered strawberry from the top of the cake and not long after I started halucinating.
I've also been experiencing my house being broken into, but usualy nothing of value goes missing and my 5 year old also told me that she's been letting her mom in after the rest of my kids and I are sleeping.
We have split custody of our kids. We became seperated after she came home drunk from the club and stabbed me in the same room as my oldest child, who thankfully, was sleeping. I still don't know why she did it and she still refers to the incident as "poking me". I discovered after surgery, she was 2 cm shallow of hitting my kidney.

Example #1:  We were driving together in 100+ degree weather. She wants to stop to get drinks. Shes in the gas station for a long time, after which she exits with two coconut waters. I take one from her and she says "that one's mine". There both the same size and brand, but I switch anyway. I start chugging the drink, but immediatly spit it out because it tasted horrible. I ask her what it was and she gets furious. She drops me off at my car and I keep the carton of coconut water and I put it on the back seat. It ends up rolling off the back seat and onto the floorboard, where its in the shade. The next day I'm driving (also in 100+ degree weather) and the carton explodes.

Example #2: I was noticing a crystaline substance splattered on my bathroom mirror, counters and inside the drawer. At the time, I thought it was from my kids being messy with candy or juice.

Example #3: It's summertime again and so I put a bottle of vodka in the freezer.  It turns to a slushy consistancy (possibly unrelated to antifreeze, but concerned me it had been tampered with). At the time, my freezer was over freezing everything, I'm unsure as to why and soon after went to under-refridgerating, but then reverted to it's normal state.

Example #4: I just came home and noticed a bottle of vodka had condensation in it, which caught my eye. I put the plastic  bottle of vodka in the freezer and less than an hour later, pulled it out. The bottle had noticably contracted and it sucked in air when I opened it, after which it returned to its normal bottle-like shape.

Any help would be appreciated, maybe I'm just being paranoid because of past incidents. Thank you.


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Re: Antifreeze poisoning?
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2023, 10:31:49 AM »
Not sure what you're looking for here. None of your examples scream antifreeze (ethylene glycol) to me, but if you suspect criminal activity I suggest you contact the police.
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Re: Antifreeze poisoning?
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2023, 11:52:44 AM »
What Corribus said.

On the chemical side - this publication https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19086326/ suggests there exist tests for EG that don't require expensive hardware and can be used with relative ease.
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Re: Antifreeze poisoning?
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2023, 02:22:07 PM »
Btw due to the fact that ethylene glycol is very sweet, most (all?) commercial antifreezes in the United States have a potent bitterant added to prevent accidental consumption by children and pets. In the state where I live, it's actually legal requirement, and I think many manufacturers do it voluntarily even in states where it isn't required. So if you had a beverage or whatever contaminated with commercial EG-based antifreeze, you would almost certainly know something wasn't right - it would be extremely bitter and unpalatable.
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Re: Antifreeze poisoning?
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2023, 03:56:02 PM »
DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0022-3476(05)80910-2
"Intentional infantile ethylene glycol poisoning presenting as an inherited metabolic disorder". This is an article from 1992, but it has some good information.

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Re: Antifreeze poisoning?
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2023, 10:55:47 AM »
Not sure what you're looking for here. None of your examples scream antifreeze (ethylene glycol) to me, but if you suspect criminal activity I suggest you contact the police.

I'm looking for exaxtly the info you offered, that my examples don't scream antifreeze. Except for Example #2 maybe, I've splashed antifreeze while pouring it and it looked just like the substance I found in my bathroom.

The police have been no help, not even when I showed them the prymarks on the new Medico lock I installed just a few days prior.

Thank you for taking the time to respond!

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Re: Antifreeze poisoning?
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2023, 11:16:31 AM »
What Corribus said.

On the chemical side - this publication https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19086326/ suggests there exist tests for EG that don't require expensive hardware and can be used with relative ease.

I'm glad you agree with Corribus.

What do you think of Example #4? I know vodka has water in it, but I don't remember seeing condensation inside the bottle before, especialy in this cold October weather. I also don't usualy have plastic bottles of alchohol, so maybe thats why I haven't noticed this behavior before?

The link you posted is a great resource.
Thank you!

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Re: Antifreeze poisoning?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2023, 11:29:01 AM »
Btw due to the fact that ethylene glycol is very sweet, most (all?) commercial antifreezes in the United States have a potent bitterant added to prevent accidental consumption by children and pets. In the state where I live, it's actually legal requirement, and I think many manufacturers do it voluntarily even in states where it isn't required. So if you had a beverage or whatever contaminated with commercial EG-based antifreeze, you would almost certainly know something wasn't right - it would be extremely bitter and unpalatable.

I read about this. I was thinking maybe after Example #1 she caught onto the added bitterant, so she started putting it in alchohol to cover up the taste? For a over a year I wouldn't consume anything that had previously been opened. I thought at my new residence I was in the clear since I didn't tell her where I lived, untill she showed up one day and the recent break-ins.

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Re: Antifreeze poisoning?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2023, 01:40:00 PM »
DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0022-3476(05)80910-2
"Intentional infantile ethylene glycol poisoning presenting as an inherited metabolic disorder". This is an article from 1992, but it has some good information.

I'm trying to find the web bases article, I shy away from downloads. Thank you!

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