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Find n(Cu)
« on: November 12, 2006, 08:43:54 AM »
This is a bit embarrassing, but I just can't seem to solve this one.

It's actually quite simple:
3 Cu + 2 NO3- + 8 H+ -> 3 Cu2+ + 2 NO + 4 H2O
4 I- + 2 Cu2+ -> 2 CuI + I2
I2 + 2 S2O32-  + 2 Na+ -> 2 I- + S4O62-

n(Na2S2O3) = 1 mole, find n(Cu).

I tried to simplify it:
3 Cu -> 2 Cu2+ -> I2 -> S2O32- -> Na2S2O3
3/8n____1/4n____½n____½n_______n

Is this ok?

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Re: Find n(Cu)
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2006, 08:57:50 AM »
Just start from:

neq(S2O32-) = neq(Cu2+)

=>n(1/2 S2O32- = n(1/1 Cu2+)

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I tried to simplify it:
3 Cu -> 2 Cu2+ -> I2 -> S2O32- -> Na2S2O3
The first step is wrong, as all copper atoms are oxidized to Cu2+, so it would be 3 Cu ? 3 Cu2+.
The last step is also wrong because elementar iodine (I2) reacts with thiosulfate to tetrathionate and iodide anions.

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Re: Find n(Cu)
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2006, 07:12:54 AM »
Mmm... I'm afraid I don't understand. Could you elaborate a bit?
Thanks!

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Re: Find n(Cu)
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2006, 12:59:47 PM »
Why dont you substitute the latter reactions in the first one:

3 Cu + 2 NO3- + 8 H+ -> 3 Cu2+ + 2 NO + 4 H2O
4 I- + 2 Cu2+ -> 2 CuI + I2
I2 + 2 S2O32-  + 2 Na+ -> 2 I- + S4O62-

-->

3 Cu + 2 NO3- + 8 H+ -> 3 Cu2+ + 2 NO + 4 H2O
4 I- + 2 Cu2+ + 2 S2O32-  + 2 Na+   -> 2 CuI + 2 I- + S4O62-

-->

3 Cu + 2 NO3- + 8 H+ + 4*(3/2) I- + 2*(3/2) S2O32-  + 2*(3/2) Na+  -> 2 NO + 4 H2O + 2*(3/2) CuI + 2*(3/2) I- + (3/2) S4O62-
=
3 Cu + 2 NO3- + 8 H+ + 6 I- + 3 S2O32-  + 3 Na+  -> 2 NO + 4 H2O + 3 CuI + 3 I- + (3/2) S4O62-

Now the ratio Cu/Na2S2O3 is easy to see ;)
« Last Edit: November 13, 2006, 01:43:29 PM by DevaDevil »

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Re: Find n(Cu)
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2006, 01:36:36 PM »
3 Cu + 2 NO3- + 8 H+ + 6 I- + 3 S2O32-  + 3 Na+  -> 2 NO + 4 H2O + 3 CuI + 3 I- + (3/2) S4O62-

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Re: Find n(Cu)
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2006, 01:42:55 PM »
Sorry bout that lol; didn't take the time to fully look at reactants and products etc. :p
Does not matter for the ratio Cu/Na2S2O3 though

And there is a mistake in the last reaction as well

I2 + 2 S2O32-  + 2 Na+ -> 2 I- + S4O62-
has to be:
I2 + 2 S2O32-  -> 2 I- + S4O62-

ofc the final reaction then has to be:

3 Cu + 2 NO3- + 8 H+ + 3 I- + 3 S2O32-  --> 2 NO + 4 H2O + 3 CuI +  (3/2) S4O62-

« Last Edit: November 13, 2006, 01:51:38 PM by DevaDevil »

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Re: Find n(Cu)
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2006, 03:13:17 PM »
thanks :p

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