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calculating with molar mass
« on: November 14, 2007, 09:17:23 PM »
i have to calcuate molar mass of stuff but i dont understand some of it, in the book it says to calculate Ba(NO3)2     (3 and 2 and subscript)   then u need to find the mass of each, Ba - 137, N- 14 and O - 16 about but then it says there are 6 mols in O and 2 mols in N, where did this come from? Ba has 1 it said but i dont understand where these mols came from? after that i just times 1 by 137 + 2 times 14 + 6 times 16 but i dont understand where the 1, 2 and 6 came from, help plz?

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Re: calculating with molar mass
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2007, 09:22:09 PM »
Those numbers come from the subscripts. The subscripts indicates how many you have.

In your case, Ba(NO3)2.
That means you have 1 Ba (If no subscript is there, the 1 is implied, it is just impractical to always write 1). If you have a subscript after a bracket, when you have that number of things in the bracket.
So you have
1 Ba
2 NO3
But each NO3 has 3 Oxygens. So 2 NO3's means you have 2 N's and 6 O's.


http://www.fordhamprep.org/gcurran/sho/sho/lessons/lesson53.htm

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Re: calculating with molar mass
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2007, 09:26:59 PM »
so how would calcium phosphate be written, cause for  barium nitrate it is Ba(NO3)2, but barium is Ba2+ and nitrate is NO3-, how do you know when to put () and what number goes after it and stuff.

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Re: calculating with molar mass
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2007, 09:35:27 PM »
You pretty much just answered your own question.

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but barium is Ba2+ and nitrate is NO3-

In order for the molecule to be neutral (no positive or negative charge) you have to balance the charges. If Ba has 2+, you need 2 -'s to cancel it and bring it back to 0 (neutral). If NO3- has only 1 negative charge, you need 2 of them to cancel the 2+ charge of Ba2+.

Now apply that concept to Calcium phosphate.

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Re: calculating with molar mass
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2007, 05:46:50 PM »
could anyone write the formula for calcium phosphate cause if i see it, it would help me figure out where it came from.  Is it Ca(PO4)2???  if not please show me what it is.

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Re: calculating with molar mass
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2007, 06:00:31 PM »
Enahs gave good tips with his last post. 

Calcium is 2+, phosphate 3-, so there must be 3 Ca2+ for every 2 PO43-: Ca3(PO4)2

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Re: calculating with molar mass
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2007, 06:25:53 PM »
so would there be 3 Ca  2 P   and 8 O???

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Re: calculating with molar mass
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2007, 06:30:43 PM »
Correct  :)

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Re: calculating with molar mass
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2007, 06:40:05 PM »
ok if you want to could your see if this is correct


Molar mass for calcium phosphate = 310g/mol
Molar mass of TiO2 = 80g/mol

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Re: calculating with molar mass
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2007, 06:47:15 PM »
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Correct  :)

Though I got 310.1 and 79.9 (difference due to rounding)

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Re: calculating with molar mass
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2007, 06:53:06 PM »
yeah, thanks, what would ammonium sulfate be tho?  its NH4 +  SO4 2-     NH4 + already has a 4 as its subscript so would you like add 2 to it cause the SO4 2- has 2 or what would you do? im confused on this now.

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Re: calculating with molar mass
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2007, 07:04:57 PM »
It has to be (NH4)2SO4 (to be neutral).  NH4 is 1+, SO4 is 2- so ratio is 2:1.


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