[crazyfrasep]

Anyone here ever heard of these or could give me any insight as to the credibility of such things?

If they do exist, yet are not recognised on the periodic table, why are there no scientific papers written on the subject to accept or dismiss the theory.

Random question i know

Hello by the way

[Alpha-Omega]

You do know this is like some crackpot spiritual alchemy type BS right???  I mean there are websites and forums dedicated to all this and they belive facts like this:

Oribitally Rearranged Monatomic Elements (ORME) from gold and platinum group metals are superconductors at room temperature and will generate electrons at room temperature. This process is only amplified within our physical bodies because our body temperature is about 99 degrees.

UUUMMMM Very entertaining:  take a looksee....http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=687

This is my favorite-HOW YOU PRODUCE ORMEs:  http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=346591#i

[Mitch]

Silly crackpots...

[crazyfrasep]

Maybe so,

But if you read about David Hudson and all the testing he did on this substance, i just find it strange how there are no scientific papers that have been published to completely dismiss the theory.

Just seems odd

Crackpots maybe, or maybe something more

Not that im crazy or anything, just came across this and have been reading into it. Just thought id ask some people with real chemistry knowledge.

So is the process not viable from a chemical point of view?

[Mitch]

It is beyond silliness.

[crazyfrasep]

Ok, good to hear that

Cheers guys

I will now go and slap myself for falling for this dribble...maybe

[Alpha-Omega]

Now I know WHY why two of my best frinds ALWAYS put instructions in theor lab handouts "DO NOT EAT YOUR EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS."

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THIS? -OK Someone needs to shut down these laboratories....OH OH maybe they are like ORMEs...and they are invisible to the naked eye.  These people have entirely too much vibrational energy....

I imagine that if I take a 2 mL vial and fill it with PURPLE KOOL AID...slap a label on it that says ORME...WOW I can pay off all my student loans in one fell swoop....IMAGINE

Never never never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups...

My experienecs with orme have lead me to believe that it works for a while and then seems to stop working. I don't really know why or how, but that was my experience with four different versions from three different companies. I feel like we can't really know what they are doing to these elements and how they are doing it and ultimately I think it is best to seek the ormes out in their natural state, not from somebody's laboratory.

I came across this product while doing research on fulvic acid.

http://www.active-liquid-minerals.com/contents.htm

it has naturally occuring orme in it as well as a whole host of other minerals. I personally believe this is the best way to consume orme - in a naturally occuring plant based matrix with other trace elements to act as coenzymes.

Could doing the lab version of orme be doing harm even while it seems like it is raising your vibration and energy levels? I believe that yes that is a possibility.

I have stopped all lab made orme and probably will not take it again. I think not enough is known and not enough research has been done yet. We are just in the baby steps area of understanding this phenomenon.

[crazyfrasep]

Ok,

Just to clear this up, i fully agree with you and think that the space cadets on these sites, along with the manufacturers are probably a bunch of douches talking pish.

Yet what interests me is the actual chemistry behind this theory. All of the sites on the web saying they are selling it is no doubt for a quick buck, but what i want to understand is where did this theory come from, and why has it not been scientifically discussed or miscredited?

Does anyone here know if it is possible that these exist? Is it possible to make this from the platinum metals?

I am just after some legitimate proof, or disproof of its existence.

[Alpha-Omega]

THANK YOU SO MUCH NOW I CAN SLEEP IN PEACE....remember superoxygenated water....are you even old enough to remeber that??

All those people buying "SUPEROXYGENATED WATER."  And Oh did they feel good at the football games...paid %5,00/bottle for SUPEROXYGENATED WATER....

UUUUMMMMM What happens to superoxygenated water when exposed to the atmosphere??

YES YOU ARE RIGHT...it is No longer superoxygenated....

I am trying to picture these hordes of ORME worshippers....like surrounding this really big black cast iron kettle...somewhere way out in the woods...living in a metal building with the words ORME LAB  written all over that building..

OMG....NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mitch]

It would be like the Pope taking time out to disprove the flying spaghetti monster, that is why there is no disproof, there is no logic in the argument.

[FeLiXe]

there is no flying spaghetti monster?

[Alpha-Omega]

OK from an INORAGNIC point of view -all this chemistry they disucuss:  and I am so using that LIGHTLY...ok read this...

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/hudson.htm

and tell me what you think...they are way into the Trans Metals...and if they are ingesting them....OH I do not know what to say about that...

I mean dude got himself a PATENT...

http://www.rexresearch.com/ormes/ormes.htm

and here is a copy of his application for that patent:  http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/patents/ukpatent.htm

http://www.lyghtforce.com/JChampion/hudpata.htm

http://www.halexandria.org/dward466.htm

and then there is:  Recent Paranormal Observations of the Atomic Structure of Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elemental forms of the Transition Metals http://www.tphta.ws/TPH_POAS.HTM

And here we have Specific to Silver Chemistry- ORMUS Materialsand OZONE: http://www.silvermedicine.org/ozone-ormus.html

Now I am going to have a nice weekend and think about those 2 jobs ONE OH WHICH WILL HOPEFULLY BE MINE...and If ther is ANY BALANCE in the UNIVERSE...LMAO...then I will get the job I want..

My friend the physicist has a dad who believes he find an alternative energy souce by magnifying X-Rays in his kitchen....we are trying to convince him that this is not possible...additionally, I was told this week that the moon does not move...it is indeed a stationary body....

Let me work on these....and I will get back to ORME OH SO NOW I HAVE A BLOG SUBJECT....

[Alpha-Omega]

One more thing:  where exactly are the 2d transition group metals located in the periodic table...guess I miised this somewhere in 15 years of study:

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/hudson.htm

I have checked with everyone I jknow and we are desperatly searching for the location of these 2d trans metals....LMAO

[Alpha-Omega]

Addressing your question DIRECTLY-the Chemistry is VOODOO CHEMISTRY...No I take that back...iyt is wose than Voodoo Chemistry...since Voodoo Chemistry is a term coined for the cosmetic industry based on "we do whatever works."  This clearly does not work....

OK there is coordination chemistry and transition metal chemistry...bit they are not used for this...can you make compounds and complexes...YES YOU SURE CAN...Organometallic and Inorganic synthesis...so get a few good books on those topics take a few courses...and become an ethical chemist/scientist...

They point to the 2d transition elements....OK where are they exactly...

OH yes...and Mr. Kevin Trudeau...the guy on the infomercials who touts cures or every fatal disease known to mankind...and asserts that the US Governemnt has kept all of these cures a secret because they are in cohoots with the pharmaceutical companies to keep peole sick...Yes this man...who says if you buy his book for $14.95....and you get the FREE CD. 

Yes the CD that the government does not want you to know about....so they and the pharma companies can kill you....

Yes this man...OH OH and all the doctors he knows who have all these cures these miraculous cures....and why are they not out there patenting the hell out of those cures...anyone can get a patent...

Yes this man is currently selling these cures containing GOLD FLAKES...you know the gold they tout to be superconducting at 99 F...the catalyst being the human body...so if you want to eat gold FINE...go ahead...could not stop anyone...no one ever stopped anyone from doing something stupid....people jump off of buildings everyday!!!!  RIGHT....

All the links to their "chemistry" (cough##@@@#cough#@@###choke....choke###@@) is in the above response...you can read it all there....

[Alpha-Omega]

One more thing...befor anyone jumps me...and brings up liquor containing gold flakes:

GOLD” wines containing 24-karat gold flakes.

Oh…

It is believed that the gold flakes in liquor are meant to cut one’s throat in very tiny areas so that the alcohol may enter the bloodstream quicker for a faster effect.

See attachment from  "The Young Man's Book of Amusement."  This wonderful book was published in 1854 and within its 384 pages are Gems of Victorian Science. It`s unpromising, mildly suggestive title belies a veritable cornucopia of experiments.  LINK:  http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/ymboa/ymboa.html

A vast selection of interesting (& some highly ill-advised) experiments & pastimes from the 19th Century are presented within chapters on - magnetism,  chemistry,  optics,  electricity,  galvanism,  pneumatics,  hydrostatics & hydraulics,  acoustics,  magic-lantern,  cards,  magic figures,  misc. experiments  &  fire-works.

Regarding attached picture:  nitro-muriate of gold is the solution of gold in aqua-regia (3:1 HCl + HNO3)