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ion size
« on: March 16, 2008, 11:18:58 AM »
can anyone explain to me why the order of these ions in decreasing size is

La3+ > Eu3+ > Gd3+ > Yb3+

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Re: ion size
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2008, 12:21:53 PM »
Sure... this is pretty easy once you know the tricks of the periodic table. Elements (and ions, for that matter) decrease in size as you move from LEFT to RIGHT across the periodic table. Therefore, because La3+ is #57, it's to the left of Eu3+, etc.

Hope this helps! Let me know if you need further explanation...

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Re: ion size
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2008, 12:39:52 PM »
Elements (and ions, for that matter) decrease in size as you move from LEFT to RIGHT across the periodic table.

So why Cl- is much larger than Na+:P
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Re: ion size
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2008, 04:52:13 AM »
Elements (and ions, for that matter) decrease in size as you move from LEFT to RIGHT across the periodic table.

So why Cl- is much larger than Na+:P
Isn't that because when Na is ionised to Na+ one has removed the last electron in the third "shell" or orbit and the electrons in the remaining inner "shell" (number 2) are much closer to the nucleus.

I'm being a bit hand-waving because I suspect trying to be rigid about the paths or orbits or locations of electrons in atoms (or indeed anywhere) is a problem due to quantum effects)

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Re: ion size
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2008, 05:10:39 AM »
In one ion there is one electron more, in the second - one electron less than in neutral atoms, so they can't be directly compared.

What I was pointing at is that blind use of rules like the one listed is dangerous - you have to understand what and when can be compared.
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