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ranking bases
« on: October 05, 2008, 10:56:44 AM »
please help me figure out how to rank from weakest to strongest base.
KCl, NaOH, C6H5NH2, NH3, NaC6H5O.

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Re: ranking bases
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 11:59:14 AM »
hey,

you need to show some attempt, you can figure out easily the strongest and weakest base. so it left with 3 of the other in between, now consider its ease of protonation.
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Re: ranking bases
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 02:01:33 PM »
well i did try , i put C6H5NH2 for the weakest, then NaC6H5O, NH3, KCl, the strongest is NaOH. COrrect? KCl is strong becuase KOH is right?

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Re: ranking bases
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2008, 02:14:52 PM »
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KCl is strong becuase KOH is right?

what? ??? KCl is a salt
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Re: ranking bases
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2008, 02:34:35 PM »
so then it is a weak base? How do you make an equation for that to show how it breaks up?

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Re: ranking bases
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2008, 02:41:18 PM »
hey,

no, KCl is a neutral salt(salt between strong acid and strong base) as it contains K+ & Cl- in aqueous form.
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Re: ranking bases
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2008, 03:03:39 PM »
ok i understand that now, but now the C6H5NH2 is confusing me. what are the prducts if it reacts with H2O? If i make an equation will that help me see if it's weak or strong? i did C6H5NH2 + H2O= NH3+ HC6H5O is that right?

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Re: ranking bases
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2008, 03:10:08 PM »
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C6H5NH2 + H2O= NH3+ HC6H5O

hydrolysis like this is not strong enough to break the strong covalent bond.

C6H5NH2 + H2:larrow: :rarrow: C6H5NH3+ + OH-

It does tells you it is basic but it doesn't tell you the relative basicity.
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Re: ranking bases
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2008, 03:16:29 PM »
ok well NaC6H5O is stronger base than C6H5NH2 right? I did NaC6H5O + H2O= NaOH+ HC6H5O, correct? that gives you a strong base and weak acid..

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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2008, 03:28:09 PM »
hello,

well, your equation is wrong, and i think you shouldn't rely on hydrolysis of salt or ion to determine the pH, do you know how to determine the relative basicity of organic compound? (inductive,resonance..)
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Re: ranking bases
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2008, 03:41:03 PM »
no but i dont need to know the ph...

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