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The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« on: October 15, 2008, 05:09:58 PM »
I'm told there are three resonance structures for C2H2Cl2. I need to give shape, identify polarity, calculate E, sketch orbitals, etc.. BUT FIRST

I have:

H    Cl
..     ..
C = C         but I need 2 more structures
..     ..
H    Cl


Would this work?
H     H
..     ..
C = C
..     ..
Cl    Cl


How about?
Cl    H
..     ..
C = C
..     ..
H    Cl


Or are these three the same?
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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2008, 05:30:36 PM »
dichloroethene has 0 resonance structures.  Are you sure you aren't looking for isomers?

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2008, 05:36:54 PM »
It must be isomers.  The second two you posted are correct, the first one has 3 chlorines, which I imagine is just a typo, otherwise, you're on the right track.

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2008, 05:41:58 PM »
Corrected the typo.

The book just says "structures" so that is why I assumed resonance structures.

In any case,
How would I predict the shape of these weird things?
Like would I just count 3 bonds to the Carbons and call it trigonal planar? I'm thinking no

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2008, 06:08:22 PM »
Pretty much!  You're going to use VSPER to predict your bond angles and structure.

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2008, 06:17:23 PM »
OK. So I have my structures and they are all trigonal planars.
I'm good to go for class tomorrow until my teacher adds on parts a.b.c.d.e.... to his questions. Ugh.

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2008, 07:34:40 PM »
"which is nonpolar and which two are polar" explain.

I know that polarity depends on difference in electronegativities
0<x<2 --> polar
x=x --> nonpolar

but how does this apply to these structures?

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2008, 10:57:48 PM »
If you look at each bond separately, which ones are polar?  Which way is the pull of electrons (take a look at the following page: http://www.molecularsoft.com/help/screens/structures/dipole.gif, the arrow shows dipole vector)?

Now, if you look at those vectors, a non-polar molecule will have dipole vectors that cancel out, while polar molecules will have an overall molecular dipole.

You can post a picture (use paint if you want), showing how you would draw out those vectors if you need help figuring that part out.

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2008, 09:16:06 PM »
H    Cl
..     ..
C = C         
..     ..
H    Cl


H     H
..     ..
C = C
..     ..
Cl    Cl


Cl    H
..     ..
C = C
..     ..
H    Cl


I'm not really understanding.
C-H = 0.4 polar
C-Cl= 0.5 polar
So like all of the bonds are polar?

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 09:25:33 PM »
Well, I guess that is technically true, but for organic molecules, you can generally consider the C-H nonpolar.  Then only your C-Cl bonds are polar.  With that info, can you answer the question with the previous info I gave?

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 09:31:48 PM »


So A & B are polar and C is nonpolar?

If this is right I am going to jump for joy that I actually understand it!

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2008, 10:20:54 PM »
Correct, A and B are polar, and C is not.  Remember though that the bond angle is 120 for double bonds, so the structure is quite as you've drawn, but the idea is correct.

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2008, 01:07:19 PM »
OK, last part to the question

Sketch the orbitals involved in the central carbon-carbon bond and explain why so much energy is necessary for bond rotation to occurr?

I calculated that 599kJ/mol of energy is neeed based on the fact that it had a wavelength of 200nm
E = h c / wavelength
--> J/mol
--> kJ/mol

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2008, 02:23:44 PM »
You're going to have to look for an image of pi bonding orbitals in your book.

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Re: The Resonance Structure I Can't Solve
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2008, 10:56:17 PM »
Wowzers these pictures are intense. Haha.
I'll manage though.

Thanks a lot for your help.

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