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I have been working on this synthesis problem for two weeks but keep running into dead ends. Any help at all would be appreciated.
Synthesize the following molecule using organic compounds with one or two carbon atoms only (not more) and any inorganic compounds. Must be major products!

                    CH3
                     l
           C2H5--C--CH2Cl
                     l
                    OH

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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2008, 09:12:32 PM »
First things, change the OH group.  What ways do you know of making a 3° alcohol?  You can have any two pieces that you want to react and make that OH group.  Post that structure, and we'll talk from there.

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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2008, 09:48:26 PM »
I am in Organic I right now so this might be a little frustrating for you. Im sorry!

I would use oxymercuration to yield the markinov product on an alkene. but I also considered using an epoxide in H3O+ to open it up to yield a 1,2 diol than change one of the OH groups by SOCl2 and maybe use an alkyl substitution rxn. Im sorry if I didnt really understand the question. I appreciate the help you are offering.

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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2008, 10:06:12 PM »
Hmm...ok, fair enough, those are legitimate answers.  Have you learned about the grignard reaction?

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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2008, 10:10:20 PM »
We have studied them a little bit are you suggesting using MgX on a carbonyl compound?

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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2008, 10:14:25 PM »
only 1 to 2 carbon containing compounds can be used at a time Im not sure how this would effect the carbonyl compound

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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2008, 10:58:01 PM »
Correct.  So, change the alcohol into a carbonyl, and then you need to break off one of the groups.  Can you see one of the groups that you could break off and form a symmetric ketone?

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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2008, 12:52:41 AM »
Heres my try.. I'm sure I've made errors.. just let me know




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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2008, 07:57:23 AM »
Good question.  It stumped me for a while, too.

Macman, b/c of the primary chloride, I don't think Grignard as the last step will work.  I think halohydrin formation is a more plausible last step.

RCL, I got there in 6 steps starting from acetylene.

refid, I don't see a scheme for your post.
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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2008, 04:43:59 PM »
azmanam, can you tell where I went wrong in my reaction?

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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2008, 04:55:41 PM »
I don't think your enamine chlorination will be selective, and you might see unwanted byproducts when you subject the choride to acidic conditions in your final step.  Creative, though.
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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2008, 05:59:42 PM »
azmanam, what if you start with the alpha-chloride?  The Cl shouldn't interfere with a grignard if you start with ClCH2CHO.  Add, MeMgBr, oxidize, add EtMgBr, no?

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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2008, 06:20:24 PM »
Sure, the carbonyl carbon is electrophilic, probably the most electrophilic, but the chloride-bearing carbon is also electrophilic.  I think you might see competition with SN2 substitution.

(edit: although Scifinder says this JOC paper from 1981 says you can react allyl Grignard with chloroacetaldehyde to get the halohydrin in 80% yield, so your way might work as well: http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/jo00318a019)

4,5-Epoxy-1-pentene. Allylmagnesium bromide was reacted with chloroacetaldehyde, and the resulting chlorohydrin, bp 65-70 "C (16-17 mm) (lit.27b p 163 "C), was obtained in 80% yield. Cyclization with NaOH gave 4,5-epoxy-1-pentene, bp 92-94 "C (lit.27b p 93.5 "C), in 71% yield (99% purity).


I did acetylene -> propyne -> propene -> methyloxirane --(H+, EtMgBr)--> 2-methyl-1-butanol  --(SOCl2)--> 1-chloro-2-methylbutane  --(NaOEt, EtOH, heat)--> 2-methyl-1-butene  --(Cl2, H2O)--> pdt.

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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2008, 03:31:19 AM »
What about addition of ClOH across a double bond?

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Re: Impossible organic synthesis problem of 1-chloro-2-methyl butan-2-ol
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2008, 06:43:26 AM »
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What about addition of ClOH across a double bond?

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2-methyl-1-butene  --(Cl2, H2O)--> pdt.

that's what this last step does.  Cl2 and H2O make ClOH in solution.
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