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Offline starry

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Help on a SN1 Reaction Problem...
« on: April 03, 2009, 02:40:01 PM »
I have two compounds:
#1

#2


And I need to explain why the second compound undergoes an SN1 reaction more rapidly..

Is this because it can resonate? I think there is more to it. Could anyone help?

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Re: Help on a SN1 Reaction Problem...
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2009, 02:50:10 PM »
resonance is key.  what about resonance makes 2 a better answer than 1?
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Re: Help on a SN1 Reaction Problem...
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2009, 05:24:44 PM »
ditto, the only thing I can think of besides resonance is that #2 is better approachable to a nucleophile since it's flatter.

But resonance is the key.

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Re: Help on a SN1 Reaction Problem...
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2009, 03:59:04 AM »
ditto, the only thing I can think of besides resonance is that #2 is better approachable to a nucleophile since it's flatter.

But resonance is the key.

That would not be a problem in an SN1 mechanism.

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Re: Help on a SN1 Reaction Problem...
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2009, 04:07:22 AM »
Well, I would think that resonace is the key and secondly I would also think that because of the double bonds, the steric factor reduces and thus making it more favorable for SN1 type reactions. So in a way I would agree with Sanderol

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Re: Help on a SN1 Reaction Problem...
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2009, 04:18:39 AM »
RDS in an SN1 is dissocation of the LG typically.

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Re: Help on a SN1 Reaction Problem...
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2009, 01:06:28 PM »
i think that because of sulfur's available 2 pairs of e-, one of them moves down to the tetrahedral carbon and the 2e- bonding the Cl to said carbon leave with the Cl, (or the e- leaves with the Cl first and then the reverse happens) either way, the ring is stabilized by resonance  (aromaticity: odd number of pairs of e-, planar, cyclic [though there are exceptions]) so if you drew out the resonance contributors you should get ortho and para subst. with respect to the sulfur.
-hope that helps


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Re: Help on a SN1 Reaction Problem...
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2009, 03:04:34 PM »
as a couple people have said, molecule 2 is favored towards SN1 over molecule 1 simply due to the intermediate. The RDS of SN1 is the leaving of the leaving group, and the 2nd molecule provides an additional resonance structure (due to the double bond 1 carbon away from the carbon with the Cl on it)

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