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Balance equation??
« on: April 06, 2009, 02:24:35 AM »
Okay...im pretty good at balancing equation but i dont know why i cant do this one.

seems like something is missing in the reaction given.

The question states....
Balance the following equation:

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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2009, 02:43:11 AM »
Firstly, what kind of chemical process is this?
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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2009, 03:14:02 AM »
redox

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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2009, 03:15:30 AM »

Dear prncess23;

How about to do it strong acidic like the "Bechamp-Reduction"?

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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2009, 03:19:19 AM »
Use HCl on the left side. Sn(IV) on the right side is doubtful, and the final product will be a salt of this amine.
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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 03:30:32 AM »
so.
it will be 1-methyl-3,5-dinitrobenzene + HCl +Sn --->2,4-diaminotolulene + Sn+4

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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2009, 03:35:33 AM »

Dear prncess23;

Yes,  -  but now you have to balance it!
And finally you can make the salt of the di-amine.

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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2009, 02:57:55 AM »
ok..so i tried balancing the equation and this is what i got....i dont think its right...cuz the atoms arent balanced...

what am i doing wrong???? i am good at balancing redox equations but it looks like something is not given in the equation given in the problem.

half reactions:
C7H6N2O4 --> C7H10N2
Sn --> Sn+4
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2(C7H6N2O4 + 6H2O --> C7H10N2 + 4H2O + 6H3O + 6e-)
3(Sn + 4e- --> Sn+4)

2C7H6N2O4 + 12H2O --> 2C7H10N2 + 8H2O + 12H3O + 12e-
3Sn + 12e- --> 3Sn+4

Overall equation:
2C7H6N2O4 + 12H2O + 3Sn --> 2C7H10N2 + 8H2O + 12H3O + 3Sn+4

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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2009, 03:05:41 AM »
3(Sn + 4e- --> Sn+4)

2C7H6N2O4 + 12H2O --> 2C7H10N2 + 8H2O + 12H3O + 12e-
3Sn + 12e- --> 3Sn+4
Those are wrong. Electrons on the wrong side.

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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2009, 03:10:21 AM »
half reactions:
C7H6N2O4 --> C7H10N2
Sn --> Sn+4
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2(C7H6N2O4 + 6H2O --> C7H10N2 + 4H2O + 6H3O + 6e-)
3(Sn --> Sn+4 + 4e-)

2C7H6N2O4 + 12H2O --> 2C7H10N2 + 8H2O + 12H3O + 12e-
3Sn --> 3Sn+4 + 12e-

Overall equation:
2C7H6N2O4 + 12H2O + 3Sn --> 2C7H10N2 + 8H2O + 12H3O + 3Sn+4 + 12e-

that still isnt right though.

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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2009, 03:46:41 AM »
That is because this half-equation is incorrect:

2C7H6N2O4 + 12H2:rarrow: 2C7H10N2 + 8H2O + 12H3O+ + 12e-

There are only 36 hydrogens on the LHS but 60 on the RHS, also the water molecules on either side should cancel each other out. The electrons are also on the wrong side.

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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2009, 04:27:56 AM »
so is this right?

2C7H6N2O4 + 12e-  :rarrow: 2C7H10N2 +  + 12H3O+

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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2009, 04:52:43 AM »
2C7H6N2O4 + 12e- :rarrow: 2C7H10N2 +  + 12H3O+

Now there are 12 hydrogens on the LHS and 56 on the RHS, also the charges on either side are not balanced, -12 on the left and +12 on the right. Why do you use H3O+? Using H+ would make things a lot simpler, I believe  :)


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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2009, 06:08:32 AM »
2C7H6N2O4 + 12e-  :rarrow: 2C7H10N2 +  2H+

what about the Sn?

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Re: Balance equation??
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2009, 06:40:08 AM »
2C7H6N2O4 + 12e-  :rarrow: 2C7H10N2 +  2H+

Come on mate, that's still not balanced!  :'(  :'(
You've got 12 hydrogen on the LHS and 22 on the other.  :-\
Neither is the charge balanced. Maybe you need a quick jog of your memory on how to do this.
I posted this earlier in the day: http://www.chemicalforums.com/index.php?topic=33050.msg126713#msg126713

Good Luck!  :D

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