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Offline leena

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Question on ionisation energy
« on: July 05, 2009, 11:42:21 AM »
X,Y and Z are 3 consecutive non-transition elements in the Periodic Table.The 1st and 3rd ionisation enthalpies of the elements are
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1st ionisation enthalpy/kJmol-1                      1012            999         1251
3RD ionisation enthalpy/kJmol-1                      2912           3361        3822

The element X belongs to the following group in the periodic table:
(1) 1       (2) 2   (3) 3      (4) 4       (5)   5  (ans: 5)

I tried to figure it out by writing the electronic configurations,
(n-1)p6ns1
(n-1)p6ns2
ns2np1
ns2np2
ns2np3
ns2np4
ns2np5
ns2np6

but it's still very difficult for me to solve this.

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Re: Question on ionisation energy
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2009, 12:20:17 PM »
Observe any irregularity in the data compared to the general trend expected. Assume X is in group 1 or so and why it is illogical for it to be in that group.
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Re: Question on ionisation energy
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2009, 01:01:40 AM »
Yes.I tried thinking of it like that,but I still can't figure it out.

X can't be in Group 1,cause then Y would have to be group 2 and the 1st IE of Group 2 should be higher than that of group1 or group 3(in Z),but it's not the case here.

Then according to the 1st IE ,X can be group 2 ,Y-GROUP 3 and Z-group 4,but not acording to the 3rd IE

X can't be group 3 cause the 1st IE gradually increases from group 3 to 5 (but not in X to Z,1st IE of Y<Z)

X can't be group 4 cuz Y would then be group5 and Y should theoretically have a higher 1st IE ,but here it's less.

X can't be group 5 cause although,according to me it agrees with the 1st IE values given,but not the 3rd IE as Y would then be group 6 and Z would be Group 7,and theoretically shouldn't the 3rd IE of group 7 elements be more than that of group 6,but here the IE of Y has tripled ,and even according to the electronic configuration of Group 6,the 3rd IE would be less than that given(compared to the 3rd IE of group 5),right?

So where am I going wrong?

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Re: Question on ionisation energy
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2009, 01:40:50 AM »
You are right. At a first look at 1st IE, 1-3 is definitely out. If you know, group 5&6 has a very noticeably 1st IE due to electronic repulsion. IE cannot be compared across, IE of Y tripled does not mean anything. Why would the 3rd IE of group 6 less than that of group 5?
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Re: Question on ionisation energy
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2009, 05:25:46 AM »
Yes,my mistake.i looked too much into the actual values given,and now I think the IEs of group 6 and 5,should be very close,i guess.

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