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Offline a student

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hyper conjugation through CH or CD
« on: December 11, 2009, 01:41:14 PM »
hi
as you know CH bond can do hyper conjugation but CD can't what is the reason of this event?

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Re: hyper conjugation through CH or CD
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2009, 02:14:32 PM »
I'm taking my first semester of ochem... and I haven't studied hyperconjugation yet.

All I know is D is a heavier isotope of Hydrogen.  Hope that helps.

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Re: hyper conjugation through CH or CD
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2009, 06:50:56 AM »
Bond strength.

C-D > C-H. So, it is tougher for C-D to break.
Maybe for H the effect is more pronounced, but I am not sure if there is NO hyperconjugation at all in case of D.
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Re: hyper conjugation through CH or CD
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2009, 07:19:18 AM »
as you know CH bond can do hyper conjugation but CD can't what is the reason of this event?
C-D can undergo hyper conjugation but it's effect is less than that of C-H due to
Bond strength.
C-D > C-H. So, it is tougher for C-D to break.
You can see this for reference. Chk from pg15. :)
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Re: hyper conjugation through CH or CD
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2009, 03:40:35 AM »
well even C-C can show hyperconjugation ..
but its effect is even less pronounced
See Chp 4 of Carey (in the stability of carbocations section)

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Re: hyper conjugation through CH or CD
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2009, 02:57:19 PM »
C-D bonds can hyperconjugate, it is less favorable though.  this is the foundation of a secondary kinetic isotope effect.  the vibrational frequency of C-D bonds is much smaller and it prefers to maintain that.  hyperconjugation weakens bonds by removing some electron density to help stablize the carbocation.  this is much more unvaforable with C-D.  hope this helps.

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