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Finding Boiling Temperature
« on: December 29, 2009, 07:46:39 PM »
Okay. So I've got a question of how to determine the boiling point of a closed system (in this quest, a closed flask.)

So the question tells me a few things: The pressure above the liquid is 6.67 kPa. Then, it gives a table of data, of temperatures, and their respective pressure. Though there are only two points that matter:

30° = 4.24 kPa
40° = 7.37 kPa

So, I know that when the vapour pressure is equal to the atmospheric pressure, then that is what the boiling point is. But, I'm not actually sure how to calculate the boiling point - my text gives me no forumula's, and no explained example. So, by this question, I know that the boiling point is somewhere between 30° - 40°, leaning closer towards the 40°, most likely.

At the back of the book, it does show answers. The answer for the question is 38° (37.8). It does show some math of how it got that answer, but I'm not really understanding what it's doing. If you want me to type it up, I can, though any help is appreciated.

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Re: Finding Boiling Temperature
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2009, 01:05:38 AM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clausius%E2%80%93Clapeyron_relation#Chemistry_and_chemical_engineering
This might be of help to you.
Clausius-Clayperon equation relates vapour pressures at different temperatures. So using it(and the data) you can find the temp. at which vapor pressure is 6.67kPa.

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Re: Finding Boiling Temperature
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 07:24:26 AM »
Alright, I think that formula will work. :D. One question though - does it matter which number I substitute into P1/T1, and P2/T2? Or should I make (for example) T1 = 30°, and T2 = 40°, then their respective pressure.)

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Re: Finding Boiling Temperature
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 01:06:42 PM »
I really didn't get what you meant.
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Re: Finding Boiling Temperature
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 02:18:55 PM »
In the question, I have two different temperatures, with their respective pressure. I can plug in the temperatures in two ways..

T1 = 30°
T2 = 40°

or

T1 = 40°
T2 = 30°

How do I know which number to sub in?

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Re: Finding Boiling Temperature
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 03:00:06 PM »
It doesn't matter which is T1 and which T2. But corresponding pressures should be written appropriately
First plug in the given data to get the constant( :delta: Hvap/R).
Again use the equation with only one of the given conditions (say T1=30o P1=4.24kPa [you could also use the other]) make P2 6.67kPa and find T2(Your reqd boiling temperature).

Hope it helps :D
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Re: Finding Boiling Temperature
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 08:20:01 PM »
Temperature should be in Kelvin I do believe...

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Re: Finding Boiling Temperature
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2009, 02:19:00 AM »
Temperature should be in Kelvin I do believe...
Yes. I'm sorry I overlooked that. :-[
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