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Offline annafotoohi

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the distance between C1and C3 in polyethylene
« on: February 12, 2010, 03:56:08 PM »
hello all,
My professor wants us to find the distance between C1 and C3 in polyethylene molecule...my problem is that I can not figure out the <C2 value,first i assumed that the <C2 angle is 109.5 due to tetrahedral overlapping,but i think that this is incorrect..,because i found  on internet the <C2 value for polyethylene and it is 112 degrees but the problem is they wouldn't explain why is that so...i guess it is more of a trigonometry type of problem,and i hate math....Thank you
I would like to add that polyethylene is zigzag shape not a straight chain and the distance between two adjacent carbons is 154 pm
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Re: the distance between C1and C3 in polyethylene
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 04:20:27 PM »
For a no math alternative I would use the dimensions of crystalline polyethylene. It should be easy enough to look up the dimensions of the unit cell for crystalline polyethylene. You'll want to use the C-axis. Should be in the Polymer Handbook or perhaps on the web.

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Re: the distance between C1and C3 in polyethylene
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 04:34:56 PM »
thank you,
I need to find the distance using math ,and show the work :-[

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Re: the distance between C1and C3 in polyethylene
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2010, 06:26:56 AM »
Well, in a triangle ABC, if you have the distances AB, BC and the angle between them, you can calculate the length AC using the cosine rule.

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Re: the distance between C1and C3 in polyethylene
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2010, 09:31:26 PM »
thank u,that is how i was going to solve this problem...i just was not sure about the angle between them...i assume that the angle is about 109.5degrees like in normal tetrahedral molecule:)))

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Re: the distance between C1and C3 in polyethylene
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2010, 03:36:14 AM »
Yet you say earlier that you've found the angle to be 112 degrees, not 109.5? Why the disparity?

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