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Offline sidharth

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conformation isomers
« on: February 15, 2010, 12:00:13 AM »
I have 2,3-Dimethylbutane and mcmurry says that it has 3 staggred conformers. but I think that it has only two distinct  staggred conformers because the last two conformers have same relative position of groups. Am I correct?

Here is the picture of the 3 staggred conformers given in the study guide of the book

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Re: conformation isomers
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2010, 01:41:29 AM »
I think the last two conformers are mirror images of each other, so they are distinct.

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Re: conformation isomers
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2010, 07:33:54 PM »
Remember that you're looking at a frozen rotation about a C-C single bond.  So you can tell if two rotamers are equivalent by rotating the entire molecule in space (you cannot rotate the bonds) and see if you can make them superimposable.  If you cannot, then they are distinct rotamers.

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Re: conformation isomers
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2010, 10:30:06 PM »
I think the last two conformers are mirror images of each other, so they are distinct.

But they have the plane of symmetry and same CH3and H groups!Surely they are not chiral and are superimposable,right?

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Re: conformation isomers
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 02:08:06 AM »
But they have the plane of symmetry and same CH3and H groups!Surely they are not chiral and are superimposable,right?

Those two particular conformers do not have a plane of symmetry (although if you rotate bonds to the conformation shown on the far left it will have a plane of symmetry).  If you don't believe me, try building models and superposing them.

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Re: conformation isomers
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 06:39:33 AM »
I think the last two conformers are mirror images of each other, so they are distinct.
thanks man they are mirror images of each other  and so  are distinct.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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