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Offline Ankesh

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conflicting reactions
« on: June 10, 2010, 01:30:57 PM »
              Electric arc
N2   +   02    :rarrow:    2NO   This is an endothermic reaction.
               3500 C

Now, its reverse,

2NO     :rarrow:   N2 +02  This is also an endothermic reaction.
         900 C

How can a reaction and its reverse both be endothermic??

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Re: conflicting reactions
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2010, 02:33:06 PM »
Different temperatures?

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Re: conflicting reactions
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2010, 02:46:33 AM »

How can a reaction and its reverse both be endothermic??
Interesting example. I would have thought it was impossible. Where did you get your data from?
Sjb observation about the possible effect of temperature is interesting.

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Re: conflicting reactions
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 04:53:15 AM »
please someone explain this question
These reactions are defying all principles of thermodynamics.

@sjb,
indeed they are at diff temp. but still they are enothermic.

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Re: conflicting reactions
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2010, 05:16:39 AM »
please someone explain this question
These reacns r defying all principles of thermodynamics.

@sjb,
indeed they r at diff temp. but still they r enothermic.



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Re: conflicting reactions
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2010, 05:19:35 AM »
sorry,edited it now
But please answer the question.

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Re: conflicting reactions
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2010, 05:35:42 AM »
Sjb observation about the possible effect of temperature is interesting.

Here is my thought process

What determines whether a reaction is feasible?  :delta: G, right?

 :delta: G =  :delta: H - T :delta: S

Whether a reaction is endo- or exothermic depends on  :delta: H, rather than :delta: G. Presumably at high enough temperatures the T :delta: S term dominates, so the reverse reaction is feasible cf H2  ::equil:: 2H, which lies to the left on Earth, but more to the right on the Sun, for instance

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Re: conflicting reactions
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2010, 05:42:19 AM »
I agree sjb.  It would be possible for them to both be endergonic as well.  You have to have constant temperature to have a comparison.

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Re: conflicting reactions
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2010, 05:56:05 AM »
Even if it is endergonic,
The transformation is occuring at constant temp. and pressure.
So, :delta: G > 0
These reactions have a very negligible entropy change.(no. of gaseous moles is same on both sides).So, even if temp is very high, contibution of T :delta: S alone would ot be sufficient for  :delta: G >0
So, the reactions have to be endothermic.


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